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Ida de Ros

Also Known As: "Bertram Neville Fitzmarmaduke"
Birthplace: Wark Castle, Wark-on-Tweed, Northumberland, England
Death: after May 18, 1315
Horden, Peterlee, Durham, England
Place of Burial: Durham, Englan, UK
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Sir Robert de Ros, 1st Baron Warke and Mary de Longespée, Lady Warke
Wife of Sir Roger Bertram, Lord of Mitford; Robert de Neville, Lord of Raby and John Fitz Marmaduke
Sister of Robert de Ros, Lord of Wark; Elizabeth Ros; William de Ros, of Mindrum and Isabel de Ros, Lady of Morpeth

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About Ida de Ros

Ida, wife of Roger Bertram, the younger, was the daughter of Robert de Roos, of Wark. Ida subsequently married (2nd) Robert de Neville, of Raby, and (3rd) John Fitz Marmaduke.


Ida (?) married,

  • firstly, Sir Roger Bertram, son of Simon Bertram and Agnes (?), before 1272.1
  • secondly, Robert (I) de Neville, Lord of Raby, son of Geoffrey (VII) de Neville and Joan de Monmouth, before 13 April 1273.1
  • thirdly, Sir John FitzMarmaduke before 8 May 1285.1

She died after 18 May 1315.1  
From before 1272, her married name became Bertram.1 From before 13 April 1273, her married name became de Neville.1 From before 8 May 1285, her married name became FitzMarmaduke.1

Child of Ida (?) and Sir Roger Bertram

  1. Agnes Bertram2 d. b 29 Jan 1310/11


AFN: Alternate> 18KG-GW8.

IDENTITY: In 1273 Ida the widow of Roger Bertram, then wife of Robert de Neville, claimed dower from Sir Hugh de eure in a third of the manor of Kirkley.

KINSHIP: 3. Geoffrey Fitz Maldred, son of Robert Fitz Maldred and Isabel de Nevil, who adopting his maternal surname and inheriting the estates, became Geoffrey de Nevil of Raby, and was father of Robert Nevil, Lord of Raby and Branspeth in the 41st Henry III; who married Ida de Bertram (Burke, A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, v. 2, p. 586). [2]


The following e-mail from Douglas Richardson identifies Ida as a daughter of Robert de Ros, whose son William de Ros married Christin Bertram. Two of the sons & daughters of Robert de Ros and Roger Bertram intermarried which was not uncommon when two father's arranged the marriages for their children.

From: Douglas Richardson [mailto:royalancestry AT]
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:52 PM To: Ian Fettes; Jim Weber Cc: Therav3 AT Subject: An Idea here or there

Dear Jim, Ian, and John ~

I re-checked Hedley again today. He cites a Northumberland plea dated 1241 which states that marriages have been pre-arranged and "now have been made" between the eldest sons and heirs of Roger Bertram and Robert de Roos and their respective daughters.

This record proves that it was Robert de Roos' son and heir, William, who married Christine Bertram, not Robert himself. This corrects Complete Peerage under both Bertram and Ros.

This record also proves that Ida, wife of Roger Bertram, the younger, was the daughter of Robert de Roos, of Wark. Ida subsequently married (2nd) Robert de Neville, of Raby, and (3rd) John Fitz Marmaduke. This adds to the information on Ida which is found in Complete Peerage under Bertram and Neville.

This leaves Sir Robert de Roos (died 1269) without a wife. However, inasmuch as he named a daughter, Ida, I think it is a good bet that his wife descends from the Longespee, Bigod, or Tony families, all of which families used the given name, Ida.

Ida de Ros
Birth unknown
Wark, Northumberland Unitary Authority, Northumberland, England
Death 18 May 1315
Peterlee, Durham Unitary Authority, County Durham, England
Durham Cathedral
Durham, Durham Unitary Authority, County Durham, England
Memorial ID 161177022

Family Members

Robert de Ros

Mary Longespee de Ros

Sir Roger Bertram

Robert de Neville

John FitzMarmaduke

Isabel de Ros de Merlay

John de Neville

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Ida de Ros's Timeline

Wark Castle, Wark-on-Tweed, Northumberland, England
May 18, 1315
Age 75
Horden, Peterlee, Durham, England
May 16, 1931
Age 75
August 24, 1931
Age 75
Durham Cathedral, Durham, Englan, UK