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James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Ayrshire Scotaland
Death: before 1851
<Kirkoswald, Ayr, Scotland>
Immediate Family:

Son of David Burns and Anne\Ann Burns
Husband of Sabbina Sebina (Sibby Sibbey Sibbald) McQualter
Father of Jean <Jane> Burns; Anne / Ann Burns; Ann Burns; David Burns; Mary Burns and 4 others
Brother of James Burns, (1780-); Eleanor / Elenora Susanna Burns and Agnes Burns

Occupation: M. S/P
Managed by: Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Burns
Last Updated:

About James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward Ancestry Yet questioned

David Burns & Ann Burns (Curry or Currie) did have a son as follows:

Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

  • Name: James Burns, (1780-)
  • Gender: Male
  • Birth Date: 11 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Place: Ayr,Ayr,Scotland
  • Father: David Burns
  • Mother: Ann Currie
  • FHL Film Number: 1041330

which would "Match our last ancestor to almost "T" is we could find an actual birth/baptism or death record

plus it fits the "Pattern"

  • David Boswell Burns, (1909-1990) your husband →
  • James Easton Burns his father →
  • David Burns his father →
  • James Burns his father →
  • david Burns his father →
  • James Burns, Land Steward

Nothing can be found of his ancestry or tying him into the lineage of Robert Burns the Poet to date tho a family member was bound and determined to do it. and because of her the grandchildren and great grandchildren sown the line have perpetuated the "lie"

Land Steward - A person who has the care of a landed estate. landed estate is a property that generates income for the owner without the owner having to do the actual work of the estate

Ancestry. com the "ABSTRACTION ONLY" as BURRY but the actual census found on Scotland's People clearly reads BURNS

1841 Scotland Census night of 6 June 1841

  • Name: James BURNS [Burry]
  • Age: 50
  • Estimated birth year: abt 1791
  • Gender: Male
  • Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Civil Parish: Kirkoswald
  • County: Ayrshire
  • Address: Culzean Demerney
  • Occupation: M S
  • Parish Number: 601
  • Household Members: Name Age
  • James [Burry] 50
  • Sebina [Burry] 50 abt 1791 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Jane [Burry] 20 abt 1821 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Ann [Burry] 15 abt 1826 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Elisabeth Wilson 25 abt 1816 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Sebina Wilson 4 abt 1837 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Margaret Wilson 2 abt 1839 Ayrshire, Scotland

No death record can be found for either man - this would put the "nail in the coffin" that they were one and the same - Sebina is listed as "Sebina" and "widow of a land steward"

There has been found:

  • BURNS, JAMES (Old Parish Registers Deaths 578/ 130 163 Ayr) Page 163 of 175
  • Died: Nov. 22, 1852
  • interment: Nov 23, 1852
  • Nanes:James Burns
  • Designations: Hope St.
  • Age: _ years _ months _ days
  • Disease: Suddenly

If this is him the answer now is why is he not on the 1851 census? CHeckign the Census for Ayrshire only one that fits near the age of Sabina at 73 is:

1851 BURNS, JAMES (Census 582/ 15/ 9) Page 9 of 11

  • 40 Wooden Bridge
  • James Bursn
  • head (wid scratched uot & head writen bove)
  • wid (scratched out out)
  • 70
  • N S f/b
  • Stirlingshire DalRest

It is said that the family is tied into Robert Burns (the poet)

Researching Robert Burns' lineage has not help to prove or disprove this statement. A step-daughter Eunice Agnes Schrimsher seemed to have delighted in producing this "fantasy relationship" - she borrowed my reports - copied them without permission ad distributed them to only certain family members she deemed should have a copy....

This was hired out mainly to the Scots Ancestry Research back in 1977-9 and 1986; the birth/baptism or christeniing/mariage/death/census were only abstractions at the time - no images or documents were provided by the researcher(s)

Since then I have used online resources that are "FREE" and access by other means to try and document the family history more and substantiate what the Scots Ancestry had done I have proven what they done is accurate and added things that they did not find at the time. Just this year Scotland's People before that some documents were found on Ancestry that others were finally willing to share.

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James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward Ancestry Yet questioned's Timeline

1781
1781
Ayrshire Scotaland
1803
June 18, 1803
Age 22
Camsegan Dailly, Ayr, Scotland
1805
March 23, 1805
Age 24
Dailly, Ayrshire, Scotland - probably
1807
June 4, 1807
Age 26
Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
1808
September 2, 1808
Age 27
Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
1809
August 8, 1809
Age 28
Slatehouse Straiton, Ayr, Scotland
1814
1814
Age 33
Craigbrae Straiton Ayrshire Scotland
1816
November 14, 1816
Age 35
Straiton, Ayr, Scotland
1819
February 15, 1819
Age 38
Straiton, Ayrshire, Scotland
1820
1820
Age 39
Ayrshire, Scotland