James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned

Is your surname Burns?

Research the Burns family

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned's Geni Profile

Records for James Burns

3,263,524 Records

Share your family tree and photos with the people you know and love

  • Build your family tree online
  • Share photos and videos
  • Smart Matching™ technology
  • Free!

Share

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Ayrshire Scotaland
Death: Died in <Kirkoswald, Ayr, Scotland>
Immediate Family:

Son of David Burns and Ann Burns
Husband of Sabbina Sebina (Sibby Sibbey Sibbald) McQualter
Father of Jean Burns; david Burns; Anne Burns; Mary Burns; Robert Burns and 5 others
Brother of James Burns, (1780-); Eleanor / Elenora Susanna Burns and Agnes Burns

Occupation: M. S/P
Managed by: Judith "Judi" Elaine (McKee) Bur...
Last Updated:

About James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned

David Burns & Ann Burns (Curry or Currie) did have a son '

Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

  • Name: James Burns, (1780-)
  • Gender: Male
  • Birth Date: 11 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Place: Ayr,Ayr,Scotland
  • Father: David Burns
  • Mother: Ann Currie
  • FHL Film Number: 1041330

which would "Match our last ancestor to a "T" is we could find an actual brith/baptism or death record

Nothing can be found of his ancestry or tying him into the lineage of Robert Burns the Poet to date tho a family member was bound and determined to do it. and because of her the grandchildren and great grandchildren sown the line have perpetuated the "lie"

A person who has the care of a landed estate. landed estate is a property that generates income for the owner without the owner having to do the actual work of the estate

Ancestry. com the "ABSTRACTION ONLY" as BURRY but the actual census found on Scotland's People clearly reads BURNS

1841 Scotland Census night of 6 June 1841

  • Name: James BURNS [Burry]
  • Age: 50
  • Estimated birth year: abt 1791
  • Gender: Male
  • Where born: Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Civil Parish: Kirkoswald
  • County: Ayrshire
  • Address: Culzean Demerney
  • Occupation: M S
  • Parish Number: 601
  • Household Members: Name Age
  • James [Burry] 50
  • Sebina [Burry] 50 abt 1791 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Jane [Burry] 20 abt 1821 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Ann [Burry] 15 abt 1826 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Elisabeth Wilson 25 abt 1816 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Sebina Wilson 4 abt 1837 Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Margaret Wilson 2 abt 1839 Ayrshire, Scotland

this is set as his profile picture as referene.

There is speculation that this couple  James & Sabina McQualter who had:
  • BURNS HUGH GAVIN PARK JAMES BURNS/SIBBALD 3/06/1803 585/10 313 Dailly
  • BURNS JEAN JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUATER 07/06/1807 578/ 50 253 Ayr
  • BURNS JOHN JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUALTER 08/08/1809 617/ 10 291 Straiton
  • BURNS DAVID JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUACKER 06/09/1808 582/ 10 108 Colmonell
  • BURNS ANNE JAMES BURNS/SIBBEY QUALTER 14/11/1816 617/ 10 297 Straiton
  • BURNS ROBERT JAMES BURNS/SIBBEY MCQUATER 15/02/1819 617/10 304 Straiton

If the same as James and Sebina if so - this would make the family as - with gaps of children

  • BURNS HUGH GAVIN PARK JAMES BURNS/SIBBALD 3/06/1803 585/10 313 Dailly ?d. young?
  • BURNS JEAN JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUATER 07/06/1807 578/ 50 253 Ayr ?d. young?
  • BURNS JOHN JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUALTER 08/08/1809 617/ 10 291 Straiton ?d. young?
  • BURNS DAVID JAMES BURNS/SIBBY MCQUACKER 06/09/1808 582/ 10 108 Colmonell LIVED
  • {Elisabeth "Elisa" Burns circa 1814 and 1816 Straiton, Ayrshire }
  • BURNS ANNE JAMES BURNS/SIBBEY QUALTER 14/11/1816 617/ 10 297 Straiton ?d. young?
  • BURNS ROBERT JAMES BURNS/SIBBEY MCQUATER 15/02/1819 617/10 304 Straiton ?d. oung?
  • { Jane Burns circa 1821 Ayrshire}
  • {Ann Burns circa 1826 Ayrshire}
===========================

These two profiles seem to be and I would say are the one in same person BUT how to prove and document it?

James Burns - Land Steward

  • Gender: Male
  • Birth: between 1781 and 1791
  • Ayrshire, Scotland

and David & Ann Curries son listed as -

James Burns

  • Gender: Male
  • Birth: 11 Oct 1780 Ayr, Ayr, Scot.
  • Immediate Family:
  • Son of David Burns and Ann Burns (Currie)
  • Brother of Eleanor / Elenora Susanna Burns and Agnes Burns

plus it fits the "Pattern"

  • David Boswell Burns, (1909-1990) your husband →
  • James Easton Burns his father →
  • David Burns his father →
  • James Burns his father →
  • david Burns his father →
  • James Burns, Land Steward

No death record can be found for either man - this would put the "nail in the coffin" that they were one and the same - Sebina is listed as "Sebina" and "widow of a land steward"

It is said that the family is tied into Robert Burns (the poet) lineage but missing is at least one generation if not 2 or more to make the connection if at all ever possible; is it not true that everyone with the name 'Burns" is told that their line is that same as that of the dear poet? one time or other - that family tradition is. . . Researching Robert Burns' lineage has not help to prove or disprove this statement.

This was hired out mainly to the Scots Ancestry Research back in 1977-9 and 1986; the information in the source is as presented to me with no book, page etc. referenced etc. Since then I have used online resources that are "FREE" and access by other means to try and document the family history more and substantiate what the Scots Ancestry had done I have proven what they done is accurate and added things that they did not find at the time.

"The Story of Dalrymple" by John S McChesney ISBN0-9519357-0-4 published by Dalrymple & District Community Council Dalrymple Ayrshire. Printed by Walker & Connell Ltd Hastings Square Darvel Ayrshire.(out of print)

One photo in the book is of Purclewan Mill, Dalrymple. The caption apparently states:

A mill has stood on the Purclewan Burn for many years. The present building an L-shaped, double story random-rubble structure with attic dates from the early 19th Century, occupying the site of a much earlier mill. It was the older building that stood here when Robert Burns visited. The miller at that time was Allan Kilpatrick, whose daughter Nellie was the subject of Burns' earliest poem "Handsome Nell". The bard met the girl while they worked together in a field in 1773. Also at Perclewan was a smiddy, the smith being Henry McCandlish. His son James McCandlish or Candlish as he later called himself, became a close friend of Burns. The poet later described him as "The earliest friend except my brother that I have on earth, and one of the worthiest fellows that ever any man called by the name of friend."


These two profiles seem to be and I would say are the one in same person BUT how to prove and document it?

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned

  • Gender: Male
  • Birth: circa 1778
  • Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Death: bef 1851 <Kirkoswald, Ayr, Scotland>
  • Immediate Family:
  • Son of Father of James Burns Burns and Mother of James Burns Burns
  • Husband of Sabina (Sibby Sibbey Sibbald) McQualter
  • Father of Jean Burns; david Burns; Anne Burns; Mary Burns; Robert Burns; John Burns and Hugh Gavin Park Burns

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned

  • Gender: Male
  • Birth: between 1781 and 1791
  • Ayrshire, Scotland
  • Immediate Family:
  • Son of Father of James Burns Burns and Mother of James Burns Burns
  • Husband of Sebina Burns
  • Father of Elisabeth "Elisa" Wilson (Burns); Jane Burns and Ann Burns

and David & Ann Curries son -

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned

  • Gender: Male
  • Birth: 11 Oct 1780 Ayr, Ayr, Scot.
  • Immediate Family:
  • Son of David Burns and Ann Burns (Currie)
  • Brother of Eleanor / Elenora Susanna Burns and Agnes Burns

plus it fits the "Pattern"

  • David Boswell Burns, (1909-1990) your husband →
  • James Easton Burns his father →
  • David Burns his father →
  • James Burns his father →
  • david Burns his father →
  • James Burns, Land Steward
==============

Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950

  • Name: James Burns
  • Gender: Male
  • Birth Date: 11 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1780
  • Baptism Place: Ayr,Ayr,Scotland
  • Father: David Burns
  • Mother: Ann Currie
  • FHL Film Number: 1041330



            
view all 14

James Burns, (1781/91 - bef 1851) - Land Steward questioned's Timeline

1781
1781
Ayrshire Scotaland
1803
June 18, 1803
Age 22
Camsegan Dailly, Ayr, Scotland
1805
March 23, 1805
Age 24
Dailly, Ayrshire, Scotland - probably
1807
June 4, 1807
Age 26
Ayr, Ayr, Scotland
1808
September 2, 1808
Age 27
Colmonell, Ayrshire, Scotland
1809
August 8, 1809
Age 28
Slatehouse Straiton, Ayr, Scotland
1814
1814
Age 33
Craigbrae Straiton Ayrshire Scotland
1816
November 14, 1816
Age 35
Straiton, Ayr, Scotland
1819
February 15, 1819
Age 38
Straiton, Ayrshire, Scotland
1821
1821
Age 40
Ayrshire, Scotland