Jean-Simon Pradet dit Laforge
|Also Known As:||"Pradet", "Bradette", "Saingelais", "Saint-Gelais", "St. Gelais"|
|Birthplace:||Saint-André, Niort, Poitou, France|
|Death:||Died in Saint-Pierre-et-Saint-Paul, Isle d'Orléans, Québec, Canada|
Son of Gaspard Pradet and Élisabeth Chaigneau
|Managed by:||Elizabeth Hollands|
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About Jean-Simon Pradet dit Laforge
- Location info: Poitou, France (birth), Saint-Pierre-et-Saint-Paul, Isle d'Orléans (marriage,death)
- Pionnier de la Nouvelle-France.
Name: JEAN-SIMON PRADET-ST-GELAIS Given Name: JEAN-SIMON Surname: PRADET-ST-GELAIS Name: Simon, Jean-Simon Pradet Singelais Given Name: Simon, Jean-Simon Pradet Singelais Name: Jean-Simon Pradet dit Saint-Gelais & dit Laforge Given Name: Jean-Simon Pradet dit Saint-Gelais & dit Laforge Name: Symon Pradet dit St. Gelet (Death record) Given Name: Symon Pradet dit St. Gelet (Death record) Sex: M _UID: 03FFD9F82A506C4F88C0636D0B4673CDB1A2 Change Date: 5 DEC 2012 _COLOR: 2 Note: JEAN-SIMON PRADET (dit) ST. GELAIS & (dit) LAFORGE, 4th child and Son o f GASPARD PRADET & ELIZABETH CHAIGNEAU (CHAIGNON) IS THE FIRST ANCESTO R BORN IN FRANCE TO SETTLE IN (New France) CANADA. HE WAS A SOLDIER.
THE ORIGINS OF THE SURNAME SAINT-GELAIS Surnames beginning with "SAINT" The compound is sometimes fused or ble nded into one word, These surnames are almost always names of localiti es. Some are names of nobles. Some can be ancient nicknames. Sometime s " Saint" is ironically placed before a name given at Birth or Christ ening. Ancestors of the families Saint-Gelais, Pradet, & Bradet, are o riginally from the area of Poitiers, in Poitou, France. Born on the 12t h & Baptized on the 13th of December 1708 at St. André de Niort, Deux S evres, Poitou, France, Jean-Simon Pradet (dit) roughly translated , me ans (aka) (also known as) Saint-Gelais and (aka) Laforge was the son of G aspard Pradet and Elizabeth Chaigneau (Chaignon). When Jean-Simon was a bout 17 yrs old, he enlisted in the military company of "Monsieur de Ri gaud" to participate in the defense of the "Young Colony". He was give n, at that time, the surname " Saint-Gelais." It was a common practice a mong soldiers to attribute amongst themselves a nickname or what is kno wn in French as a "Sobriquet" upon entering the military ranks. It is a lso known in French as "le Bapteme du Regiment", (The Christening fro m the Regiment). These nicknames or "Sobriquets" are selected somewhat i n the same manner as many surnames, that is to say, after a place of bi rth, geographic characteristic of an area where the individual lives, o r lived, and also at times, the type of work or trade in which the indi vidual was involved. And, at times, even a physical or psychological t rait that the individual possessed. THE MARRIAGE OF JEAN-SIMON PRADET dit ST-GELAIS and dit LAFORGE. On February 20, 1730, the "Ancestor", JEAN-SIMON, married at St-Pierr e parish, Ile d' Orleans, GENEVIEVE CHARON,(Charron) daughter of Jean C haron (Jean-Baptiste Charron) and Genevieve Dupile. These Charrons are k nown as Charron dit LaFerriere. Jean-Simon continued to exercise his c raft as a soldier, and participated in many campaigns of the "Rigaud Co mpany" against the Iroquois Indians and the English. The family Pradet d it St-Gelais & Dit Laforge was constantly on the move from L'Ile d' Or leans to Baie-Saint-Paul, then to Beaumont, and then to Sainte-Anne-de- la-Pocatiere, and to Saint-Roch-des-Aulnaies, to finally return to sett le in Baie-Saint-Paul. JEAN-SIMON settled on a small farm where he own ed and operated a "FORGE". Some records suggest that he may have been a b lacksmith while in the military. That is how the other surname was acqu ired (dit) (aka) "LAFORGE". JEAN-SIMON PRADET dit SAINT-GELAIS and dit L AFORGE'S death record has been found. He is listed on that record as S YMON PRADET dit ST. GELET, and, it indicates that he died June 12, 1797 i n Baie St. Paul, and was buried the next day in the parish cemetery. Ac cording to Tanguay Vol 6, page 439, Jean-Simon was the father of 11 ch ildren. His sons, JEAN-MARIE-FRANCOIS and *JEAN-BAPTISTE-FRANCOIS rem ained in Quebec and adopted the surname SAINT-GELAIS. Then, his son LO UIS-SAMSON-DAVID married in Detroit and left many descendants in the U nited States. Louis-Samson-David and his descendants adopted the surnam e "LAFORGE".
Today the majority of Jean-Simon's descendants use the surname Saint-Ge lais and can be found in Charlevoix, Matane, and in The Saguenay- Lac- S aint-Jean area of Quebec. There are also the Bradets and Bradettes a v ariation of Pradet and some Laforges residing throughout Canada and the U nited States particularly in the New England area. As for the Pradets a f ew can be found in Montreal.*Note #1: I have also found another Genea logy record indicating that Louise Laforge, married to Joseph-Marie Ham elin in 1764 is the daughter of Jean-Simon Pradet & Genevieve Charon.
- NOTE #2:(Translated from sections of the French version by Robert St- G elais descendant of Jean-Simon Pradet-Saint-Gelais-Laforge). Eleven of J ean-Simon's children appear in Tanguay's Vol VI, page 439. Child # 3, J ean-Francois, b 1734, Married to Marie-Victoire Potvin. He is generally r eferred to as JEAN-MARIE-FRANCOIS, and child # 7. " Francois", Born 1 743, married to Suzanne Caroline Duchesne. He is generally referred to a s JEAN-BAPTISTE, or JEAN-BAPTISTE-FRANCOIS. I shall refer to child # 3 a s JEAN-MARIE-FRANCOIS , and child #7 as JEAN-BAPTISTE-FRANCOIS in this G enealogy. From JEAN-SIMON'S known children, 5 died shortly after bir th. The remainder have been fairly well accounted for with the exceptio n of child # 6 , LOUIS- MARIE-JOSEPH, Baptized at Ste. Anne-de-la-Pacat iere 26 Oct,1740. Louis-Marie-Joseph may have died young, as to date, n o other record mentions him other than his birth. As to why Jean-Simo n was GIVEN the Surname SAINT-GELAIS, Well..... I HAVE INDEED LOCATED A V ILLAGE IN FRANCE, IN POITOU ON THE SEVRE RIVER CALLED SAINT-GELAIS. The V illage of Saint-Gelais is located just a few Kilometers north, northwes t of Niort, France in Poitou on to the Sevre river.The City of Niort, F rance has a street running through it called Rue St. Gelais. There is i n this same area a Chateau de Cherveux which was occupied by the Arist ocratic St-Gelais family. It is 70 KMs East of La Rochelle or 60 KMs we st of Poitiers or about 20 KMs north of NIORT which is just a few KM f rom the village of SAINT-GELAIS. For more information about The Chatea u de Cherveux that was occupied by the St-Gelais family, visit their F rench-English website. The village of Saint-Gelais in France also has a w ebsite which has the history of the village of Saint-Gelais. It is in F rench. It is very likely that the Pradet family was from the village o f St. Gelais, and it would account for the surname SAINT-GELAIS that JE AN SIMON PRADET received at "Le Bapteme du Regiment". Here is the web site for the Village of Saint-Gelais. http://perso.libertysurf.fr/foyer gelasien/photo.htm Some information on the Surname Saint-Gelais, w as received from: The Center of Genealogical Research of Quebec. (Centr e de recherches généalogiques du Québec)
_TMPLT: FIELD: Name: Page 1 Birth: 12 DEC 1708 in St. Andre de Niort, Deux Sevres, Poitou, France Baptism: 13 DEC 1708 St. Andre de Niort, Deux Sevres, Poitou, France Death: 12 JUN 1797 in Baie St. Paul, Charlevoix, P. Q. Burial: 13 JUN 1797 The Parish Cemetery, Baie St. Paul, P. Q.
Father: GASPARD PRADET b: ABT 1678 Mother: ELIZABETH CHAIGNEAU b: ABT 1680
Marriage 1 MARIE-GENEVIEVE CHARRON-LAFERRIERE b: 8 NOV 1710 in St. Pierre, Ile d' Orleans, P. Q. Married: 20 FEB 1730 in St. Pierre, Ile d' Orleans, P. Q. Children
Elisabeth PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 19 JAN 1731 in St. Pierre, Ile d' Orleans, P. Q. Genevieve PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 8 MAY 1733 in St. Pierre, Ile d' Orleans, P. Q. Jean-Marie-Francois PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 6 SEP 1734 in Baie St. Paul, Charlevoix, P. Q. Simon PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 7 APR 1737 in Beaumont, Bellechasse, P. Q. Marie PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 18 MAY 1738 in Beaumont, Bellechasse, P. Q. Louis-Marie-Joseph PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 23 OCT 1740 in Ste. Anne de la Pocatiere, Kamouraska, P. Q. JEAN-BAPTISTE-FRANCOIS PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 8 AUG 1743 in St. Roch-des-Aulnaies, L' Islet, P. Q. Louise PRADET-LAFORGE b: ABT 1740 in Prob. St. Roch-des-Aulnaies, P. Q. Marie-Genevieve (1) PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 31 JUL 1746 in St. Roch-des-Aulnaies, L' Islet, P. Q. Simon -Alexis -Victor PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 15 FEB 1749 in Baie St. Paul, Charlevoix, P. Q. Marie-Genevieve (2) PRADET-ST-GELAIS b: 29 AUG 1751 in Baie St. Paul, Charlevoix, P. Q. Louis-Samson-David PRADET-LAFORGE b: 18 MAY 1753 in Baie St. Paul, Charlevoix, P. Q.
Jean-Simon Pradet dit Laforge's Timeline
September 12, 1708
Niort, Poitou, France
January 19, 1731
Saints-Pierre-et-Paul, Isle d'Orléans, Québec, Canada
September 6, 1734
Baie St-Paul, Charlevoix, Quebec, Canada
July 1, 1740
St. Roch-des-Aulnaies, PQ
August 8, 1743
Saint-Roch-des-Aulnaies, Québec, Canada
May 18, 1753
Baie-Saint-Paul, Québec, Canada
June 12, 1797
Saint-Pierre-et-Saint-Paul, Isle d'Orléans, Québec, Canada