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About Joan de Cornwall
- Joan de Cornwall1,2,3,4,5,6
- F, #15950, b. circa 1285, d. after 25 September 1342
- Father Sir Richard Cornwall, Steward of Knaresborough7,8,4,9,6 b. c 1255, d. 1296
- Mother Joan FitzAlan7,8,4,9,6 b. c 1267, d. a 10 Oct 1321
- Joan de Cornwall Sister of Richard de Cornwall. She was born circa 1285 at of Thunnock, England. She married Sir Thomas Peche circa 1306 at of Thunnock, Lancashire, England; This marriage is unknown to Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 233. A settlement for the marriage Joan de Cornwall and Sir John Howard, Sheriff of Norfolk & Suffolk, Governor of Norwich Castle was made in 1309; They had 1 son (Sir John).2,3,5,6 Joan de Cornwall married John Avenel after 1331; This marriage is unknown to Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 233. Joan de Cornwall died after 25 September 1342.2,6
- Family Sir John Howard, Sheriff of Norfolk & Suffolk, Governor of Norwich Castle d. c 23 Jul 1331
- Sir John Howard, Sheriff & Escheator of Norfolk & Suffolk, Admiral of the North Fleet+4,6 d. bt 15 Nov 1356 - 29 Apr 1364
- 1.[S4460] Unknown author, The Royal Descents of 500 Immigrants, by Gary Boyd Roberts, p. 317; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 1857; OFHS Newsletter, December 1995, p. 97; Wallop Family, p. 446.
- 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 233.
- 3.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 576.
- 4.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 265.
- 5.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 308.
- 6.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 328.
- 7.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 232-233.
- 8.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 574-575.
- 9.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 306-307.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p531.htm#i15950
- Joan De CORNWALL
- Died: AFT 1348
- Father: Richard of Cornwall (Sir)
- Mother: Joan ?
- Married 1: Thomas PECHE (Sir)
- Married 2: John HOWARD (Sir Sheriff of Norfolk) 1307/8
- 1. John HOWARD (Sir Admiral of Navy)
- Married 3: John AVENELL
From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/PLANTAGENET.htm#Joan De CORNWALL1
From House of Cornewall (Google eBook) Cecil George Savile Foljambe Earl of Liverpool, Compton Reade Jakeman and Carver, 1908 - 316 pages. Page 28:
From the Cotton MSS., Julius C. VII., it appears that there was a Joan De Cornewall, wife of Sir John Howard. and ancestress of the Dukes of Norfolk, e.g., “ Richardus de Cornubia to William Rudham, his attorney in Norfolk—Know ye that I have granted to Sir John Howard and Joan his wife, my sister, that they may inhabit and dwell in the Manors, which I have of the gift of the said John in the County of Norfolk, so long as it please theni."——Undated.
Again. Folios 236-7. “ The arms of Howard and Cornewall are in Ferfield, Tendering Hall. in the Parish of Stoke Newland, and in the Chapel of Stoke Newland," 11a. Nayland.
This Joan could not have been the sister of Sir Richard. inasmuch as he died in 1297; neither could she have been identical with Joan. daughter of Sir Geoffrey de Cornewall. since in the “ Howard Memorials” of Mr. Howard. of Corby Castle, it is stated that Sir William Howard was married 2 Edward II., 1308-9, i.e.. before the birth of the said Joan. Mr. Howard speaks of the above Joan as eventual heir of her brother. Richard. Mr. Horace Round afiirrns that the only Richard De Cornewall of that date. is. 1308. was a priest described as King's kinsman and Clerk of the Market, to whom Edward II. gave a prebendal stall in York Cathedral.
From page 157:
In the Visitation of Huntingdonshire, 1613, Harl. Soc., are seals bearing a close resemblance to the third coat in Asthall Church, viz., of Sir Richard De Cornewall, 21 Edw., III. and of William Cornewall, his son, Richard II. These coats are argent, on a fesse sable 3 bezants or; and this Sir Richard, Captain of Calais, may have been a younger brother of Sir Geoffrey and Sir Edmund, while all three may have had a sister Joan, wife of Sir J. Howard.
From Richard de Cornwall circa 1255 - 1296
A number of claims have been made for other children of Richard, but with only assertion and/or speculation to back them up. The most commonly asserted one (or two!) is of a daughter Joan, and this is based upon her being the sister of a Richard de Cornwall, rector of Walsoken (as per the IPM of her husband Sir John Howard, which names her as this Richard's sister). Hence the claim for both of these depend solely on Richard the rector being son of this Richard. Whilst this is feasible, and indeed it would seem likely that this Richard, whose father shared his name, should also name a son Richard, I have been unable to find any evidence to connect the two. Richard the rector, was first mentioned in the Patent Rolls of 1292 as being the king's clerk. Assuming him to be "of age" at the time, he would have to have been born no later than 1271, and hence the eldest son. Considering that he was still alive at the time of Edmund, earl of Cornwall's, IPM in 1300 (indeed he appears to have lived until at least 1331), it seems telling that he is not mentioned therein, along with his purported brothers, as holding land which the earl gave to their father. It seems to me that he is more likely to have been the son of this Richard's brother, Walter, and is not mentioned the said IPM, because Walter was still alive, and so still in possession of any land that was under dispute, rather than any of his children.