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Joan Tilley (Hurst), "Mayflower" Passenger

Also Known As: "Joan (Hurst) Rogers Tilley", "Mayflower passenger"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
Death: between January 11, 1621 and March 11, 1621
Plymouth, Plymouth Colony, Colonial America (John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them their daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth.)
Place of Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States
Immediate Family:

Daughter of William Hurst and Rose Rushe
Wife of Thomas Rogers and John Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger
Mother of Joan Hawkins; Rose Tilley; John Tilley; Rose Tilley, (again); Robert Tilley and 1 other
Sister of John Hurst; Henry Hurst; Joan Hurst, (died young) and Agnes Albone

Occupation: Mayflower Passenger
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About Joan Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger

Joan (Hurst) Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger was born in Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England and baptized at the parish church there on March 13, 1567/8. Her parents were William Hurst and Rose Marshe. She came on the Mayflower (1620) with her second husband, John Tilley, and their 13 year old daughter Elizabeth, as well as John's brother Edward Tilley and his wife Ann or Agnes Cooper. Edward and Ann brought along Ann's relatives Henry Sampson and Humility Cooper.

Joan and her husband died the first winter at Plymouth, (1621), and were buried in the Coles Hill Burial Ground at Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts.


Family

Updated 15 May 2018.

Joan Hurst was the second daughter called Joan; her older sister died young. Her brothers were Henry and John Hurst (died as a child), and her sister Agnes later married William Albane. Their father William Hurst died in 1569, and his widow Rose remarried in 1571 to John Rushe, with whom Rose had four more children. In his 1603 will John Rushe left legacies of forty shillings to his step daughter Joan and each of her children.

Joan married first to Thomas Rogers on 18 Jun 1593 at Henlow in Bedfordshire. He was not related to the Mayflower passenger of that name. Thomas was buried at Henlow on 20 September 1593. Their child was

  • Joan Rogers, born after her father’s death, was baptised on 26 May 1594 at Henlow. She married Edward Hawkins on 27 Jun 1620 at St. Paul's Church of Bedford in Bedfordshire. [6]

Joan (Hurst) Rogers, widow of Thomas Rogers, married to John Tilley on 20 September 1596 at St. Mary the Virgin Church of Henlow in Bedfordshire. They had five children baptised in the parish of Henlow between 1597 and 1607. [10] [6]

  • Rose Tilley (1) was baptised on 23 October 1597 and was buried at Henlow before 28 February 1601/2.
  • John Tilley was baptised on 26 August 1599 and may have died young. No further record.
  • Rose Tilley (2) was baptised on 28 February 1601/2 and may have died young. No further record.
  • Robert Tilley was baptised on 25 November 1604. He apprenticed as a tailor in Bedford and married Mary Hawkins. [6]
  • Elizabeth Tilley was baptised on 30 August 1607 and died at Swansea in the Plymouth Colony on 22 December 1687. She married John Howland, "Mayflower" Passenger in the Plymouth Colony about 1624 and had ten children.[2] [11]

Identity

From MAYFLOWER INCREASINGS by Susan Roser

There has been some controversy about the identity of the wife of John Tilley, who came over on the Mayflower. In "Saints and Strangers" by George F. Willison, she was identified as "Mrs. Elizabeth (Comyngs) 1585-1621 of St. Andrew Undershaft, London. Married London 1605". In "The Women who came in the Mayflower" by Alice Russell Marble, she is identified stating "the mother of Elizabeth Tilley bore a Dutch name, Bridget Van De Veldt".

Only in 1976 were the Tilley records discovered in the Henlow parish church proving that Elizabeth Tilley, the bride of John Howland, was the daughter of Joan Hurst.

"This letter is in reference to the query from Harold H. Everett of Flagler Beach, FL, who wrote about Joan Hurst Rogers being the step-mother of Mayflower Pilgrim rather than her mother (MQ, Aug, 1991, p. 232).

Joan Hurst Rogers did not 'come to New England" to marry John Tilley. John Tilley and Joan Rogers were m. in Henlow Co., Bedford, ENG on 20 Sep 1596, in St. Mary the Virgin Church, where John Tilley and his ancestors had been members for generations. Joan Rogers was bapt. in the same church on 13 Mar. 1567/8 as Joan Hurst, dau. of William Hurst. Records also show that Joan (Hurst) Rogers Tilley and husband, John, had the following children baptized there (source: Redding Family and its Relatives, by Billie Redding Lewis, 1984, 3rd edition): . . .

Elizabeth, bapt. 30 Aug. 1607; this date agrees with the death record of 21 Dec. 1687, which states that at the time of death, she was 80 years of age."

"Their mother Rose remarried after the death of Joan's father to John Rushe in 1571 and had a second family of two sons and two daughters so Joan would have grown up with her step-family as well as her sister and her brother Henry Hurst. In his will of 1603 John Rushe left generous legacies of forty shillings to Joan and each of her children."

Notes

From MFQ, vol 62, no 1, Feb 1996, p 56-60. MFQ, vol 62, no 1, Feb 1996, p 56-60.

Both she and her husband, John TILLEY were probably "secretly buried ...at night on Cole's Hill, overlooking Plymouth Rock" so that the Indians wouldn't know of their great losses that first few months. They leveled the graves and planted the plot with corn the next spring. Wnen water pipes were being installed along the Hill in 1859, some bones were uncovered, which Dr. Oliver Wendell HOLMES confirmed to be the bones of those who died in 1620-1621. The Pilgrin Society had them mortared into the ceiling of the canopy directly above Plymouth Rock. In 1921, during the celebration of the 300th anniversary of the landing of the Pilgrims, a giant sarcophagus was unveiled on Cole's Hill, after a procession through the streets, and in it were placed the small box of Pilgrin bones unearthed 50 years before.

From MFQ, vol 61, no 3, Aug 1995, p 177: vol 62 no 1, Feb 1996, p 56-57: vol 63 no 1, Feb 1997, p 43.

Married 1st ROGERS, Thomas, 18 Jun 1593, Henlow, Bedfordhire, Eng. They had 1 child, Joan ROGERS, who would have been 26 when the Mayflower sailed in 1620. 2nd TILLEY, John, 20 Sep 1596, St. Mary the Virgin's Church, Henlow, England. They had 5 children christened in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England. The children, except for Elizabeth, may also have been married but preferred to stay in England.

Legacy

Photo of monument Added by: Caryn on 3 Jan 2017 at FindAGrave //s3.amazonaws.com/photos.geni.com/p13/be/8f/f2/aa/534448482f65d37d/c8acd7d3-d6cf-4b1f-90cf-4fc107e3f544_original.jpg

Joan’s daughter Elizabeth Tilley went on to marry fellow Mayflower passenger John Howland, with whom she had ten children and 88 grandchildren. Because of their great progeny, she and her husband have millions of living descendants today.

Citations

  • 2. link to A genealogical profile of John Tilley, (a collaboration of Plimoth Plantation and New England Historic Genealogical Society. Retrieved 2013)
  • 6. Forster, Joy "The Lost Children of Bedfordshire's Pilgrim Fathers: The Tilley family of the Mayflower, The Mayflower Quarterly, Vol. 65, No. 4, Nov 1999. Cited at http://www.boydhouse.com/michelle/gorham/johntilley.html
  • 10. Caleb H. Johnson, The Mayflower and Her Passengers, (Indiana: Xlibris Corp., 2006), pp. 237 - 238
  • 11. Reference made in GSMD Five Generation, Silver Book 2006 edition. Volume 23, Part one, page 1 under #1 John Howland, identifying Joan as mother of Elizabeth.

Sources

  • "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5GY-T2Z : 11 February 2018, Joan Hurst, 13 Mar 1568); citing HENLOW,BEDFORD,ENGLAND, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm Q942.565 B4E V. 26.
  • "England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5GY-T28 : 30 December 2014, William Hurst in entry for Joan Hurst, 13 Mar 1568); citing HENLOW,BEDFORD,ENGLAN …
  • "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5K1-HNK : 10 February 2018), Thos Rogers and Joan Hurst, 18 Jun 1593; citing Henlow,Bedford,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 826473, Q942.565 B4E V. 26.
  • "England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5K1-4NF : 10 February 2018), Jn Tylly and Joan Rogers, 20 Sep 1596; citing Henlow,Bedford,England, reference , index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 826473, Q942.565 B4E V. 26
  • Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s, Gale Research, Name: Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009.Original data - Filby, P. William, ed.. Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s. Farmington Hills, MI, USA: Gale Research, 2009.Original data: Filby, P. William, ed.. Passeng;, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com, null, Page number: Place: Plymouth, Massachusetts; Year: 1620; Page Number: 1822.

Links

  • Wikipedia: John Tilley retrieved 12 May 2018
  • link to Find A Grave, database and images (https://www.findagrave.com : accessed 12 May 2018), memorial page for Joan Hurst Tilley (13 Mar 1568 to 1621), Find A Grave Memorial no. 16539005, citing Coles Hill Burial Ground, Plymouth, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, USA ; Maintained by Kay Cynova (contributor 47064119
  • link to Genealogical and Family History of the State of Connecticut: A ..., Volume 4 edited by William Richard Cutter, Edward Henry Clement, Samuel Hart, Mary Kingsbury Talcott, Frederick Bostwick, Ezra S. Stearns
  • link to FamilySearch tree

Additional References

  • BIRTH: Date from Henlow Parish Register in TAG vol. 52 p. 204.
  • link to Second Supplement To Torrey's New England Marriages Prior to 1700
  • Stratton, Eugene Aubrey. Book: Plymouth Colony; Its History & People 1620-1691. Salt Lake City, UT; Ancestry Publishing, 1986. p. 312 & 362.
  • "Plymouth Colony" states that Joan died soon after the 1620 arrival ofthe Mayflower. Acording to the Mayflower Descendant, volume ii page119, she died early in 1621 but after 11 January.
  • Caleb Johnson, Genealogical Summary, John Tilley, from the internet (Mayflower Home Page). Mayflower Home Page, 11/96.
  • Willison, George F.. Book: Saints and Strangers; Being the Lives of the Pilgrim Fathers & Their Families, with Their Friends & Foes. Orleans, MA; Parnassus Imprints, Inc., 1945. p. 439.
  • Legends, loves and loyalties of old New England, Ancestry.com, Online publication - Provo, UT: The Generations Network, Inc., 2005.Original data - Goodenough, Caroline Leonard,. Legends, loves and loyalties of old New England. Rochester, Mass.: The author, 1930.Original data: Goodenough, Caroline Leonard,. Legends, lo, Ancestry.com, http://www.Ancestry.com

From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hurst-26 retrieved 12 May 2018

  • English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper, by Robert Leigh Ward, database online at The American Genealogist, Vol. 52 #4; p. 204
  • English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper, by Robert Leigh Ward, database online at The American Genealogist, Vol. 52 #4; p. 203/4
  • English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper, by Robert Leigh Ward, database online at The American Genealogist, Vol. 52 #4; p. 199
  • Author: Robert Leigh Ward, English Ancestry of Seven Mayflower Passengers: Tilley, Sampson and Cooper, The American Genealogist, Volume 52 No. 4: p. 198 - 207.
  • link to Caleb Johnson's MayflowerHistory.com, database online, copyright 2002 - 2012.
  • Bradford's History "Of Plymouth Plantation", Wright & Porter Printing Company, Boston, 1898.
  • link to Robert Charles Anderson, "John Tilley", The Great Migration Begins: Immigrants to New England 1620-1633, Vol. III, Boston, New England Historic Genealogical Society 1995, p. 1822.
  • Rooted Ancestry, database online by Austin W. Spencer, copyright 2013
  • link to Boyd, Michelle. Boydhouse.com. - John Tilley and Joan Hurst : accessed 8 Mar 2018.
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Joan Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger's Timeline

1568
March 13, 1568
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
March 13, 1568
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1594
May 26, 1594
Age 26
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1597
October 23, 1597
Age 29
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
1599
August 26, 1599
Age 31
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
1602
February 28, 1602
Age 33
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
1604
November 25, 1604
Age 36
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
1607
August 30, 1607
Age 39
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England