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Joan Tilley (Hurst), "Mayflower" Passenger

Also Known As: "Joan (Hurst) Rogers Tilley", "Mayflower passenger"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
Death: Died in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts
Cause of death: First Winter in America.
Place of Burial: Coles Hill Burial Ground, Plymouth, Plymouth, MA
Immediate Family:

Daughter of William Hurst and Rose Hurst
Wife of John Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger; Thomas Rogers and John Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger
Mother of Elizabeth Howland, "Mayflower" Passenger; Joan Hawkins; Rose Tilley; John Tilley, Jr. and Robert Tilley
Sister of John Hurst; Henry Hurst; Agnes Hurst and James Hurst

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About Joan Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger

Came to America aboard the Mayflower.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16539005


MAYFLOWER PASSENGER

Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley

Back to the Mayflower Passenger List

Baptism: 13 March 1567/8, Henlow, Bedford, England, daughter of William and Rose Hurst.

Marriage:

Thomas Rogers, 18 June 1593, Henlow, Bedford, England.

John Tilley, 20 September 1596, Henlow, Bedford, England.


Death: Sometime the first winter at Plymouth.

Children by Thomas: Joan

Children by John: Rose (died young), John, Rose, Robert, and Elizabeth.

Biographical Summary

Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst. She married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594 or thereabouts, she remarried to John Tilly in 1596.

John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would later marry to Mayflower passenger John Howland. Birth: Mar. 13, 1568 Bedford Bedford Borough Bedfordshire, England Death: 1621 Plymouth Plymouth County Massachusetts, USA

wife of John Tiley and Thomas Rogers.

Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose (Marshe) Hurst. She was married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594, she remarried John Tilly in 1596.

John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them their daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would marry Mayflower passenger John Howland 3 years later.

(bio by: Ronald Keyes) 

Family links:

Spouse:
 John Tilley (1571 - 1621)*

Children:
 Elizabeth Tilley Howland (1607 - 1687)*

Notable descendants

President Franklin D. Roosevelt

Franklin D. Roosevelt → James Roosevelt → Mary Aspinwall → Susan Howland → Joseph Howland → Nathanial Howland Jr. → Nathanial Howland Sr. → Joseph Howland → John Howland → Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY

Presidents George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush.

George W. Bush → George H. W. Bush → Prescott Bush → Flora Sheldon → Mary Butler → Elizabeth Pierce → Betsy Wheeler → Sarah Horton → Joanna Wood → Jabez Wood → Hannah Nelson → Hope Huckins → Hope Chipman → Hope Howland → John Howland → Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY

Ralph Waldo Emerson. Famous poet.

Ralph Waldo Emerson → Ruth Haskins → Hannah Upham → Hannah Waite → Lydia Sargent → Lydia Chipman → Hope Howland → ELIZABETH TILLEY (an entirely female line, meaning Ralph Waldo Emerson carried the mitochondrial DNA of Mayflower passenger Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY


Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst. She married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594 or thereabouts, she remarried to John Tilly in 1596.

John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would later marry to Mayflower passenger John Howland.


ID: I416

Name: Joan HURST

Sex: F

Birth: bef 13 Mar 1567/1568 in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England, 1 2 3 4 5

Christening: 13 MAR 1567 Henlow, Bedford, England 6 2 4 5

Death: bef 11 Jan 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, MA, USA 2 7

Burial: 11 Jan 1620/21 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA 7

Note: 6 8 9 10

per Arianne L. widow of a Thomas Rogers (not the Rogers of the Mayflower)

per MAYFLOWER INCREASINGS by Susan Roser died between 11 Jan-10 Apr 1621

There has been some controversy about the identity of the wife of John Tilley, who came over on the Mayflower. In "Saints and Strangers" by George F. Willison, she was identified as "Mrs. Elizabeth (Comyngs) 1585-1621 of St. Andrew Undershaft, London. Married London 1605". In "The Women who came in the Mayflower" by Alice Russell Marble, she is identified stating "the mother of Elizabeth Tilley bore a Dutch name, Bridget Van De Veldt".

Only in 1976 were the Tilley records discovered in the Henlow parish church proving that Elizabeth Tilley, the bride of John Howland, was the daughter of Joan Hurst.

"This letter is in reference to the query from Harold H. Everett of Flagler Beach, FL, who wrote about Joan Hurst Rogers being the step-mother of Mayflower Pilgrim rather than her mother (MQ, Aug, 1991, p. 232). Joan Hurst Rogers did not 'come to New England" to marry John Tilley. John Tilley and Joan Rogers were m. in Henlow Co., Bedford, ENG on 20 Sep 1596, in St. Mary the Virgin Church, where John Tilley and his ancestors had been members for generations. Joan Rogers was bapt. in the same church on 13 Mar. 1567/8 as Joan Hurst, dau. of William Hurst. Records also show that Joan (Hurst) Rogers Tilley and husband, John, had the following children baptized there (source: Redding Family and its Relatives, by Billie Redding Lewis, 1984, 3rd edition): . . .

Elizabeth, bapt. 30 Aug. 1607; this date agrees with the death record of 21 Dec. 1687, which states that at the time of death, she was 80 years of age."

"Their mother Rose remarried after the death of Joan's father to John Rushe in 1571 and had a second family of two sons and two daughters so Joan would have grown up with her step-family as well as her sister and her brother Henry Hurst. In his will of 1603 John Rushe left generous legacies of forty shillings to Joan and each of her children."

Photo of monument taken by Barbara Fleming, August, 1997 (on file):

"OF THE ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR PASSENGERS

THESE DIED IN PLYMOUTH DURING THE FIRST YEAR

. . .

JOHN TILLEY AND

HIS WIFE"


Mayflower - Her first marriage must have ended in divorce because she was his second wife - he was married to someone else the year after he married her.


Mayflower Passenger

John Tilley, his wife Joan (Hurst) Rogers, and daughter Elizabeth came on the Mayflower. John and Joan died the first winter, but Elizabeth lived, married John Howland, and had eleven children. John's brother Edward Tilley came with wife Ann Cooper on the Mayflower as well.


Michael James Arrison's gedcom file data lists Joan's year of death as 1619/1620. (Frank J. Arrison 11/12/2008)


Came on the Mayflower.


She was Widow Rogers upon marriage to John Tilley.


Mayflower passenger


Joan (Hurst) Rogers had a daughter Joan Rogers by her first marriage, bp. 26 May 1594, Henlow, Bedford, England. Joan married Edward Hawkins, probably a brother of her half-brother Robert's wife Mary Hawkins.


Passenger on the Mayflower between Sep and Nov 1620.

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http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16539005

Birth: Mar. 13, 1568

Bedfordshire, England

Death: 1621

Plymouth

Plymouth County

Massachusetts, USA

wife of John Tiley and Thomas Rogers.

Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose (Marshe) Hurst. She was married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594, she remarried John Tilly in 1596.

John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them their daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would marry Mayflower passenger John Howland 3 years later.

(bio by: Ronald Keyes) 

Family links:

Children:
 Elizabeth Tilley Howland (1607 - 1687)*

Spouse:
 John Tilley (1571 - 1621)*

Burial:

Coles Hill Burial Ground

Plymouth

Plymouth County

Massachusetts, USA


Created by: LF

Record added: Nov 07, 2006

Find A Grave Memorial# 16539005

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Our Adam & Eve chart says her name was Elizabeth (Cummings) Tilley. MayflowerHistory.com says her name was Joan (Hurst) (Rogers) Cummings. Further investigation just confused me more.
First husband was Thomas Rogers who died in 1594.

Children by Thomas: Joan Children by John: Rose (died young), John, Rose, Robert, and Elizabeth.

Presumably all of her other kids, except Elizabeth, chose to stay in England.


The wife of John Tilley, Joan, accompanied him on the 1620 MAYFLOWER, and they died soon after arrival at Plymouth. She is shown by the Ward articles to have been the daughter of William, and probably Rose, Hurst of Henlow, Bedfordshire. She had earlier been widowed from a Thomas Rogers, but this was not the MAYFLOWER Thomas Rogers. (from page 312 of Ply. Col.)

(Mayflower Passenger List By Family Groupings) John Tilley; Joan (Hurst) Rogers, wife; Elizabeth Tilley, daughter

Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst.  She married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers).  With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow.  Attempts to determine what happened to Joan have so far been unsuccessful.  She may have died young.  When her first husband Thomas died, likely around 1594 or 1595, she remarried to John Tilly. 

John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them daughter Elizabeth.  Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World.  Elizabeth would later marry to Mayflower passenger John Howland.

Came to America aboard the Mayflower. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16539005

MAYFLOWER PASSENGER Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley Back to the Mayflower Passenger List Baptism: 13 March 1567/8, Henlow, Bedford, England, daughter of William and Rose Hurst. Marriage: Thomas Rogers, 18 June 1593, Henlow, Bedford, England. John Tilley, 20 September 1596, Henlow, Bedford, England.

Death: Sometime the first winter at Plymouth. Children by Thomas: Joan Children by John: Rose (died young), John, Rose, Robert, and Elizabeth. Biographical Summary Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst. She married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594 or thereabouts, she remarried to John Tilly in 1596. John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would later marry to Mayflower passenger John Howland. Birth: Mar. 13, 1568 Bedford Bedford Borough Bedfordshire, England Death: 1621 Plymouth Plymouth County Massachusetts, USA wife of John Tiley and Thomas Rogers. Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose (Marshe) Hurst. She was married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594, she remarried John Tilly in 1596. John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them their daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would marry Mayflower passenger John Howland 3 years later. (bio by: Ronald Keyes) Family links: Spouse: John Tilley (1571 - 1621)* Children: Elizabeth Tilley Howland (1607 - 1687)*

Notable descendants President Franklin D. Roosevelt Franklin D. Roosevelt → James Roosevelt → Mary Aspinwall → Susan Howland → Joseph Howland → Nathanial Howland Jr. → Nathanial Howland Sr. → Joseph Howland → John Howland → Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY Presidents George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush. George W. Bush → George H. W. Bush → Prescott Bush → Flora Sheldon → Mary Butler → Elizabeth Pierce → Betsy Wheeler → Sarah Horton → Joanna Wood → Jabez Wood → Hannah Nelson → Hope Huckins → Hope Chipman → Hope Howland → John Howland → Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY Ralph Waldo Emerson. Famous poet. Ralph Waldo Emerson → Ruth Haskins → Hannah Upham → Hannah Waite → Lydia Sargent → Lydia Chipman → Hope Howland → ELIZABETH TILLEY (an entirely female line, meaning Ralph Waldo Emerson carried the mitochondrial DNA of Mayflower passenger Elizabeth Tilley → JOAN TILLEY

Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose Hurst. She married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594 or thereabouts, she remarried to John Tilly in 1596. John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would later marry to Mayflower passenger John Howland.

ID: I416 Name: Joan HURST Sex: F Birth: bef 13 Mar 1567/1568 in Henlow, Bedfordshire, England, 1 2 3 4 5 Christening: 13 MAR 1567 Henlow, Bedford, England 6 2 4 5 Death: bef 11 Jan 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, MA, USA 2 7 Burial: 11 Jan 1620/21 Plymouth, Plymouth, MA 7 Note: 6 8 9 10 per Arianne L. widow of a Thomas Rogers (not the Rogers of the Mayflower) per MAYFLOWER INCREASINGS by Susan Roser died between 11 Jan-10 Apr 1621 There has been some controversy about the identity of the wife of John Tilley, who came over on the Mayflower. In "Saints and Strangers" by George F. Willison, she was identified as "Mrs. Elizabeth (Comyngs) 1585-1621 of St. Andrew Undershaft, London. Married London 1605". In "The Women who came in the Mayflower" by Alice Russell Marble, she is identified stating "the mother of Elizabeth Tilley bore a Dutch name, Bridget Van De Veldt". Only in 1976 were the Tilley records discovered in the Henlow parish church proving that Elizabeth Tilley, the bride of John Howland, was the daughter of Joan Hurst. "This letter is in reference to the query from Harold H. Everett of Flagler Beach, FL, who wrote about Joan Hurst Rogers being the step-mother of Mayflower Pilgrim rather than her mother (MQ, Aug, 1991, p. 232). Joan Hurst Rogers did not 'come to New England" to marry John Tilley. John Tilley and Joan Rogers were m. in Henlow Co., Bedford, ENG on 20 Sep 1596, in St. Mary the Virgin Church, where John Tilley and his ancestors had been members for generations. Joan Rogers was bapt. in the same church on 13 Mar. 1567/8 as Joan Hurst, dau. of William Hurst. Records also show that Joan (Hurst) Rogers Tilley and husband, John, had the following children baptized there (source: Redding Family and its Relatives, by Billie Redding Lewis, 1984, 3rd edition): . . . Elizabeth, bapt. 30 Aug. 1607; this date agrees with the death record of 21 Dec. 1687, which states that at the time of death, she was 80 years of age." "Their mother Rose remarried after the death of Joan's father to John Rushe in 1571 and had a second family of two sons and two daughters so Joan would have grown up with her step-family as well as her sister and her brother Henry Hurst. In his will of 1603 John Rushe left generous legacies of forty shillings to Joan and each of her children." Photo of monument taken by Barbara Fleming, August, 1997 (on file): "OF THE ONE HUNDRED AND FOUR PASSENGERS THESE DIED IN PLYMOUTH DURING THE FIRST YEAR . . . JOHN TILLEY AND HIS WIFE"

Mayflower - Her first marriage must have ended in divorce because she was his second wife - he was married to someone else the year after he married her.

Mayflower Passenger John Tilley, his wife Joan (Hurst) Rogers, and daughter Elizabeth came on the Mayflower. John and Joan died the first winter, but Elizabeth lived, married John Howland, and had eleven children. John's brother Edward Tilley came with wife Ann Cooper on the Mayflower as well.

Michael James Arrison's gedcom file data lists Joan's year of death as 1619/1620. (Frank J. Arrison 11/12/2008)

Came on the Mayflower.

She was Widow Rogers upon marriage to John Tilley.

Mayflower passenger

Joan (Hurst) Rogers had a daughter Joan Rogers by her first marriage, bp. 26 May 1594, Henlow, Bedford, England. Joan married Edward Hawkins, probably a brother of her half-brother Robert's wife Mary Hawkins.

Passenger on the Mayflower between Sep and Nov 1620. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=16539005 Birth: Mar. 13, 1568 Bedfordshire, England Death: 1621 Plymouth Plymouth County Massachusetts, USA wife of John Tiley and Thomas Rogers. Joan Hurst was born in 1567/8 in Henlow, Bedford, England, the daughter of William and Rose (Marshe) Hurst. She was married first to Thomas Rogers in 1593 (not related to the Mayflower passenger Thomas Rogers). With her husband Thomas, she had a daughter Joan, baptized on 26 May 1594 in Henlow. When Thomas died, around 1594, she remarried John Tilly in 1596. John and Joan (Hurst)(Rogers) Tilley came on the Mayflower in 1620, bringing with them their daughter Elizabeth. Joan, along with her husband, died the first winter at Plymouth, orphaning their 13-year old daughter Elizabeth in the New World. Elizabeth would marry Mayflower passenger John Howland 3 years later. (bio by: Ronald Keyes)

Family links: Children: Elizabeth Tilley Howland (1607 - 1687)*

Spouse: John Tilley (1571 - 1621)*

Burial: Coles Hill Burial Ground Plymouth Plymouth County Massachusetts, USA

Created by: LF Record added: Nov 07, 2006 Find A Grave Memorial# 16539005 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Our Adam & Eve chart says her name was Elizabeth (Cummings) Tilley. MayflowerHistory.com says her name was Joan (Hurst) (Rogers) Cummings. Further investigation just confused me more.

First husband was Thomas Rogers who died in 1594.

Children by Thomas: Joan Children by John: Rose (died young), John, Rose, Robert, and Elizabeth. Presumably all of her other kids, except Elizabeth, chose to stay in England.

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Joan Tilley, "Mayflower" Passenger's Timeline

1563
May 8, 1563
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1563
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1567
March 13, 1567
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, England
1568
March 13, 1568
Age 1
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1594
May 26, 1594
Age 27
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1597
October 23, 1597
Age 30
Henlow, Central Bedfordshire, UK
1599
August 26, 1599
Age 32
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England
1604
November 25, 1604
Age 37
Henlow, Bedfordshire, England