About Joan Skelton
- THERE IS OTHER INFORMATION FROM HISTORY OF PARLIAMENT THAT GIVES JOAN AS THE DAU. OF ALICE (IREBY) & GEOFFREY TILLIOL (HER 1ST HUSBAND), & STEP-DAU. OF JOHN SKELTON (HER 2ND HUSBAND).
- Joan Skelton1,2,3,4,5
- F, #30910, b. after 1400, d. before 1439
- Father Sir John Skelton2,3,6,4,5 b. c 1370
- Mother Alice Ireby2,6 b. c 1375
- Joan Skelton was born after 1400 at of Skelton, Braithwaite, & Hensingham, Cumberland, England.1,2,6 She married Sir Robert Roos, Sheriff of Lincolnshire, son of Sir James de Roos, Commissioner of the Peace of Lincolnshire and Joan le Despenser, before 1429; They had 1 daughter (Eleanor, wife of Humphrey Dudley, & of John Paulet, Esq.)1,2,3,6,4,5 Joan Skelton died before 1439.2,6
- Family Sir Robert Roos, Sheriff of Lincolnshire b. c 1390, d. c 17 Mar 1441
- Margaret Ros+
- Eleanor Roos+1,2,3,6,4,5 b. 23 Jun 1432, d. 2 Aug 1504
- [S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 571.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. II, p. 248.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 309.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 325.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. V, p. 103.
- [S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. III, p. 80-81.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1029.htm#i30910
- SKELTON, John (d.1439), of Skelton, Cumb.
- s. and h. of Nicholas Skelton (d. aft. June 1401), of Whitrigg. m. (1) at least 3s. inc. John†; (2) by Feb. 1401, Alice, da. of Sir John Ireby*, and wid. of Geoffrey Tilliol* (d.c.1400) of Torpenhow. Kntd. by Feb. 1404.1
- .... etc.
- Far from harming John’s political career the Lancastrian usurpation soon brought greater opportunities for advancement. Indeed, Henry IV’s anxiety to win over his predecessor’s adherents made him particularly open-handed so far as rewards and offices were concerned. Although some of the closes which he was leasing in Inglewood forest were granted to Sir Henry Percy, who had actively supported the new regime, John was kept on for another two years as collector of customs in Cumberland, being at the same time employed as controller of the castle of Bordeaux in France. He cannot have spent all this period overseas, since by February 1401 he had married, as his second wife, Alice the daughter and sole heir of the late Sir John Ireby, and was then called upon to give evidence in Chancery about the deceased’s failure to execute a royal commission years before. A few months later he was still busy securing his title to the outlying Ireby estates, having already gained control of the manors of High Ireby and Embleton, which formed the bulk of Alice’s inheritance. .... etc.
- .... Other, more personal, matters also commanded his attention at this time, as a result of an earlier arrangement whereby the impecunious Sir Robert Muncaster* had mortgaged his estates in and around Torpenhow to his wife’s first husband, Geoffrey Tilliol. Although the loan of 250 marks made by Geoffrey on the security of this property was not repayable for many years, Sir John decided to renegotiate the mortgage so that one of his two stepdaughters, Katherine Tilliol, could have the money straight away. Using his neighbour, Sir William Clifford, as an intermediary, he offered Muncaster a new advance of 255 marks for a term of 20 years, thus gaining control of the land in question for himself. He may already have planned to marry Katherine to Richard, his son and heir by a previous marriage, and cut out the claims of her sister, Joan, to a share of the profits. Later sources reveal that he settled some of the rents from Muncaster’s property upon the couple, being able in this way to avoid alienating any of his own inheritance, at least for the time being. One of the witnesses to these transactions was William Bewley*, whose daughter and coheir, Margaret, married another of Sir John’s sons, providing handsomely for him as well.7
- .... etc.
- Sadly for Sir John, his eldest son, Richard, died shortly before 1430, seised of a substantial part of the family estates which had already been settled upon him and his issue. Richard’s widow, Katherine, who, as we have seen, was also Sir John’s stepdaughter, subsequently married James Kelom, and obtained guarantees worth 40 marks from Sir John that she might enjoy uninterrupted possession of her own inheritance. But at least by now John Skelton junior had begun to play an important part in family affairs. Together with his father he was named among the Cumbrian gentry who were to take the general oath of May 1434 that they would not support anyone who disturbed the peace. In the following year Sir John made over to him one of his leases of royal property in Inglewood forest, and subsequently negotiated a joint tenancy in survivorship for them both of other closes which he himself farmed from the Crown. Finally, on 3 Feb. 1439, the two men were permitted to share Sir John’s old annuity of 40 marks on similar terms.11
- Sir John probably did not live to see the last of these three transactions enrolled in Chancery, since four days later Sir William Leigh† released to Katherine and James Kelom the wardship of half the manor of Plumblands which had reverted to him ‘on the death of Sir John Skelton by reason of the nonage of Eleanor, daughter of Sir Robert Roos’. Eleanor was the daughter and heir of Sir John’s other stepdaughter, Joan; and by 1441 she had become involved in litigation with the Keloms over the ownership of her inheritance from Sir John Ireby, her maternal great-grandfather. Perhaps to atone for the early favouritism which he had shown to her sister, Katherine, Sir John had entailed most of his second wife’s estates upon Joan, and thereby sowed the seeds of a protracted dispute after his death. Eleanor Roos was supported in her claim by her uncle, John Skelton junior, who then enjoyed great favour at Court. He went on to represent Cumberland twice in Parliament and was three times sheriff of the county. He was well over 50 years old when called upon to give evidence, in September 1441, at the proof of age of his great-nephew, another John, to whom the bulk of the Skelton estates descended.12
- From: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/skelton-john-1439
- TILLIOL, Geoffrey (d.c.1400), of Torpenhow and Embleton, Cumb.
- yr. of bro. of Sir Peter Tilliol*. m. Alice, da. and h. of Sir John Ireby* of High Ireby, 2da. Kntd. by Feb. 1398.1
- .... etc.
- .... We do not know exactly when he married Alice, the only child of Sir John Ireby, who represented Cumberland in three Parliaments and who was also three times sheriff of the county, although their alliance clearly improved his standing even further. .... Geoffrey was chosen by his father-in-law as one of the executors of his will; and on 24 May 1397 he and the recently widowed Katherine Ireby began accounting at the Exchequer as collectors of the customs in Cumberland in place of Sir John.2
- .... etc.
- By February 1401, Sir Geoffrey’s widow, Alice, had married the influential Cumbrian landowner, John Skelton*, who arranged through an intermediary for the entire sum of 250 marks to be paid to Katherine Tilliol, one of Sir Geoffrey’s two young daughters and coheirs, while himself contracting another mortgage with Muncaster. Sir Geoffrey’s property in Torpenhow reverted to his elder brother, Sir Peter, while his widow’s manors of Embleton and High Ireby passed into the hands of her new husband. On the evidence of a later dispute over the ownership of Sir John Ireby’s estates, it looks as if Skelton married Katherine to his eldest son, Richard, in order to retain control over her money and inheritance. Her sister, Joan, became the wife of Sir Robert Roos, had left a daughter named Eleanor. Eventually, after Skelton’s death, Eleanor and Katherine became embroiled in litigation, since both advanced a claim to the two manors.4
- From: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/tilliol-geoffrey-1400
•Born about 1410
Marriages and children
◦Married to Robert (de ROS) Roos ca 1406, with
John Skelton was born in 1375 in Plumbland, Cumberland, England. He married Alice Ireby.
Alice Ireby [Parents] was born in 1379 in High Ireby, Cumberland, England. She married John Skelton.
They had the following children:
F i Joan Skelton
Robert De Ros [Parents] was born in 1407 in St. Christopher, London, England. He married Joan Skelton.
Joan Skelton [Parents] was born in 1410 in Cumberland, England. She married Robert De Ros.
They had the following children:
F i Eleanor De Ros