John Louis Laymance, Sr

JOHN LOUIS LAYMANCE

After landing in Philadelphia, John Louis and his wife moved near Pittsburgh, Penn. There they had three sons, Isaac, Jacob and John. Isaac and Jacob served in the Revolutionary War in a Pennsylvania regiment. No other accounts of these two sons can be found. John Laymance the younger, served as a Private in Lancaster County, Penn. Troop 8th Battalion in defense of the city of Lancaster in 1781 under Captain John Ewing. He also served in the Lancaster County Penn. Militia in 1784 and 1785 under Captain Joseph Huber in the 6th Company of the 6th Battalion in Frontier defense against the indians.

The following was given to me by Frances BATES Fortune of Oakridge, Oregon .......................................................................... John Laymance served in the defense of Lancaster Co PA in 1781. In the fourth Battallion of Lancaster, under Captain Ewing. He served again under the Lancaster militia in 1784 in the frontier defense against the indians under Capt. Joseph Huber in the sixth company of the sixth battallion. **See muster roll of the second section of the eighth battallion of Lancaster troops**" John Lauman 29 April 1781 to June 1781". Page #817, Vol. VII, Series V, PA archives. Three men who were believed to be his brothers, Ludwig, John, and Phillip Laymance are in the same company. John is said to have been the son of John Laymance Sr.

Johns wife per family stories was Malinda Jane Charleton. No written proof has ever been found. According to early deeds, Johns wife was named Pheobe (last name was Morris according to John F. Riley). John Migrated to into the Carolinas and was said to have settled on the French Broad River, becoming a salt merchant and manufacturer.
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Lemmons, John: Deed #1857 Roane County Tennessee: 10 acres on Little Mud creek, a water of Emorys River...both sides of the Turnpike Road. Lemmons, John: Deed #9 July 14 1814 Roan County Tennessee: 22 1/2 acres and the waters of Emory River...both sides of Turnpike Road.. both sides of Mud Creek.
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There are many more deeds listed. It is obvious that John had migrated into what is now Morgan County Tennessee by 1814. John is reported by a grandson to have spoke as fast as lightening. He spoke both French and English and had such an indesrcibable French accent and burr to his tounge. His English was so thick with accent that he could hardly be understood. As he pronounced Laymance, it was similar to Lemonz, with a strong accent on the last syllable. The neighbors frequently cut it short and said Lemmons. Two of his sons adopted this way of spelling. When John died in 1837 he left a large amount of property and belongings and according to a document filed in Chancery Court at Roane County, Tennessee on March 23 1852, he left no will....."Having left this life not having made and published any last will and testimate that has ever been proved and secured." The document was an argument among his heirs regarding land distribution. Pheobe Morris Laymance was 61 years old at the time of Johns death. He left her and of course most of the minor children were placed in her custody, except William, who was handicapped and believed to be retarded. He is refered to as an "idiotic or lunatic." Pheobe sold the house and belongings to John Laymance, her son in December 1849, yet she continued to live on the property. John Laymance is said to be buried at Flat Fork Cemetary, near Wartburg, Tennessee within a large rock enclosure. It is unmarked, yet nearby is a similiar rock enclosure with five trees growing out of the center of it. This believed to be Pheobes grave. Flat Fork Cemetary is located on the South East side of Flat Fork Road, off of US62 South out of Wartburg, Same side of road of Brushy Mountain Prison.

The following information was provided by John F. Riley, 8113 Runnymeade Rd., Frederick, Md. 21702; Tel. (301) 562-4053. John Riley spells middle name Louis. From John; John born in the 1740's in Normandie, now France. Came to America with his two brothers Isaac and Jacob aboard the ship "SallyGally" from Rotterdam, Holland to Philadelphia, Pa.
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on 27 Sep. 1746. All three brothers served in The Revolutionary War. John Louis Laymance married and had at least one son born 1770. He married 1. Melinda Jane Charleston (5G Grand Parents) & 2. Phoebe Morris. SOURCES: Morgan Co TN Census 1830 John Laymance 120110001-10011001 and John F. Riley. --- Jewell Chapman

From: "Rancher" <rancher@alaska.net> Subject: [TNMORGAN] Laymance Family Researchers Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 07:27:26 -0800

August 23, 2000

Dear Laymance or Lamance Researchers:

To all of our Laymance/Lamance cousins we extend a thank you in advance for your interest and participation in this endeavor. With the proliferation of family genealogy through the Internet it has become apparent that many sites are available to receive information regarding the Laymance/Lamance family.

Most researchers either find information on the Internet or through a book titled Beginnings by Frances Mynogne Fortune. Many of the Internet sites have flawed information that has been taken as truth without the proper research. Those incorrect records were first started by Lora S. Lamance and have been perpetuated over and over and over again. It is time, as some would say, "to set the record straight" regarding the Laymance family with its many spellings.

First let Frances of Oregon speak for herself: December 1999 "First of all let me apologize to all of you for having unknowingly carried on a "fictional tale" that was produced many years ago by Lora LaMance. In the early 1930's she wrote a book titled "House of Waltman", in that book she told of her husbands LaMance/Laymance family. (He was Marcus N. LaMance, son of James Preston Laymance) Since she was a very wealthy and well-traveled woman of her day, AND since she stated she had researched all of her family for years, like any "beginning genealogy researcher" ...20+ years ago, I believed her works. I could have eaten my words a thousand times over. I assisted in perpetuating her LIE. Her research was WRONG, making my book "Beginnings" wrong. Frankly I feel bad about having carried on her lie...but I want it to stop here. I don't want a blemished bloodline."

The earliest person to immigrate to the Colonies, and alleged to be the Laymance/Lamance ancestor, was Johann Ludwig Lauman/Laumann who arrived on the ship Ann Galley. The first question to start with, then, is Johann Ludwig Laumann the same person many of us have seen identified as John Lewis/Louis Laymance?

The answer is NO.

Bobbi Chase, of Pennsylvania was the one who did the research on John Ludwig Lauman/Laumann in Pennsylvania and sent a family record compiled from a ship's passenger list, Church records, Cemetery records, Wills, Biographies, Histories and Revolutionary War records to Frances Fortune. Bobbi stated, "I can assure you that John or Johann Ludwig Lauman/Laumann is not in any way related to the John Laymance/Lemmons of Tennessee." Frances agreed.

Fact 1: Most of the children of the John/Johann Ludwig Laumann of Pennsylvania died when young. Those that lived never left the State of Pennsylvania.

Fact 2: The John/Johann Ludwig Laumann of Pennsylvania was married only once. He landed at the Port of Philadelphia, went directly to Lancaster Co. and remained there for the rest of his life and is buried at the Trinity Lutheran Church. Jean Marshall, on the Laymance Family Research Group, identified records in Lancaster County Pennsylvania, at Trinity Lutheran Church, that Johann Ludwig married Anna Elisabetha Gross on May 18, 1749. They had children: Daniel, Ludwig, Maria Magdalena, Johann Phillip, Anna Elizabeth, Johann Michael, Catharina, Adam, Johannes, Johann George, Ludwig, Fridrich, and Wilhelm.

Fact 3: The FALSE records are: John Louis Laymance born about 1725 in Switzerland and spouse Margaret son Phillip, son Ludwig, 'Daughter 1' Laymance and spouse Jackson, 'Daughter 2' Laymance and spouse Steward, 'Daughter 3' Laymance and spouse Newton Wallace, John Laymance, b. 1756, Lancaster Co., Pa. and spouse Melinda Jane Charleton m. abt. 1793. These people did not exist.

The second problem to solve is when and where was John Laymance/Lemmons of Tennessee born and who were his parents? We know he died May 9, 1837.

It is not known if our John Laymance/Lemmons of Tennessee came from Maryland, but John W. Laymance, born about 1807, indicated that his father was born in Maryland in the 1880 Census. If we can rely on the birthplaces of his children he was in North Carolina, South Carolina and Tennessee.

No records have been located to indicate that John Laymance/Lemmons was ever married to anyone but Pheobe Morris.

As for children born to John Laymance/Lemmons and Phoebe Morris, there are only 13 listed in John Laymance/Lemmon's estate settlement. They are: Lucy Jane [known as Jenny], Mary [known as Polly], Jacob [unproven middle name Charleton or Charlton], Celia [known as Sely and Suly], Nancy, Isaac J., Sarah, John W., Susan, Pheobe, William, Andrew Jackson, and James M.

Through the Laymance Family Research Group Jeanne Rinear and other participants just recently found that Lora S. LaMance falsified records. Too, recently the email amongst cousins has been one of frustration regarding the published book and the number of Internet sites. Both Frances and Bobbi are trying to correct that wrong. Jeanne Rinear of Alaska has put this letter together to help correct the errors.

The first solution to a perplexing problem is to fix the Internet sites that are known to have information regarding Johann Ludwig Lauman/Laumann being the father of John Laymance/Lemmons. We need your help to delete any false records that may exist on your Laymance family tree or in a published gedcom on the Internet. This will begin to end the new researchers quandary into perpetuating bad information. One way to make this work, if you are skeptical, is to make a copy of your gedcom and rename it different from your first gedcom. Then eliminate names in the generation before John Laymance/Lemmons of Tennessee, including his birthplace and birth date. Also list only Phoebe Morris as his wife and include the above listed children. Then repost the renamed and corrected gedcom to the web site you had previously offered it. Your original will not be harmed.

We appreciate your time in this matter and hope you will help to make the family line as correct as possible. By sharing our thoughts and reading each other's family information we can better understand each family line. The insight one researcher may have or a family story another may have is part of the sharing and helping we can do for each other. Thank you, Frances M. Fortune Oregon fm_fortune@hotmail.com Bobbi Chase 2805 N. 47th St., #807 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19131 foxchase@angelfire.com Jeanne E. Rinear 6900 Chena Hot Springs Road Fairbanks, Alaska 99712 rancher@alaska.net or rancher@gci.net

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@R1001126570@ Family Data Collection - Individual Records Edmund West, comp. Ancestry.com Operations Inc 1,4725::0 Birth year: 1756; Birth city: Lancaster Co; Birth state: PA 1,4725::4371046

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