About John Neville, 4th Baron Latymer
John Neville, 4th Baron Latimer
John Neville, 4th Baron Latimer (1520 – 22 April 1577) was an English peer, and the stepson of Katherine Parr, later the sixth wife of King Henry VIII.
John Neville, born about 1520, was the only son of John Neville, 3rd Baron Latimer, by his first wife, Dorothy de Vere, daughter of Sir George Vere (died 1503) by Margaret, daughter and heiress of Sir William Stafford of Bishop's Frome, Herefordshire. Dorothy de Vere was the sister and co-heiress of John de Vere, 14th Earl of Oxford. She died 7 February 1527, and was buried at Well, North Yorkshire. After her death the 3rd Baron married secondly, on 20 July 1528, Elizabeth Musgrave, the daughter of Sir Edward Musgrave, by whom he had no issue. A few years after her death in 1530 he contracted a third marriage in 1533 with Katherine Parr, the widow of Sir Edward Borough, by whom he also had no issue.
Katherine is said to have been a kind stepmother to the 3rd Baron's two children, John and Margaret. In her will, dated 23 March 1545, Margaret stated was unable to render Katherine sufficient thanks 'for the godly education and tender love and bountiful goodness which I have evermore found in her Highness'.
There is some indication that Margaret was the 3rd Baron's father's favourite child, which, if true, might explain the turbulence which followed as John got older. As a teenager, John proved to be a confident sulking, lying, and over-sensitive boy. The 3rd Baron did not name his son as heir to his properties, and ensured that his son could not meddle with his inheritance or father's legacy. In the 3rd Baron's will, his wife Katherine was named guardian of his daughter, and was put in charge of the 4th Baron's affairs, which were to be given over to his daughter when she reached the age of majority.
In January 1537, Neville, his sister Margaret, and step-mother Katherine were held hostage at Snape Castle during the Pilgrimage of Grace. The rebels ransacked the house and sent word to the 3rd Baron, who was returning from London, that if he did not return immediately they would kill his family. When the returned to the castle he somehow talked the rebels into releasing his family and leaving, but the aftermath to follow with Latimer would prove to be taxing on the whole family.
John Neville became 4th Baron Latimer at his father's death on 2 March 1543. Katherine remained close to her former stepchildren, and made the 4th Baron's wife, Lucy Somerset, a lady-in-waiting when she became queen consort to King Henry VIII.
In May 1544 the 4th Baron was involved with the siege of Edinburgh in Scotland and he was there knighted at Butterdean near Coldingham. He then went to war in France where he took part in the siege of Abbeville.
The 4th baron was emotionally unstable in later life. In the summer of 1553, he was sent to Fleet Prison on charges of violence done to a servant. He was arrested for attempted rape and assault in 1557, and in 1563 he killed a man. Of the situation in 1553, Thomas Edwards wrote to the Earl of Rutland describing the violence which had taken place with the servant quoting "too great a villainy for a noble man, my thought." That this public violence occurred after the death of his step-mother, Catherine, might suggest that at least she had some sort of control over Neville while she was alive.
The 4th Baron died without male issue in 1577, at which time the title was wrongfully assumed by Richard Neville (died 27 May 1590) of Penwyn and Wyke Sapie, Worcestershire, only son of William Neville (15 July 1497 – c. 1545), second son of Richard Neville, 2nd Baron Latimer. However according to modern doctrine, the barony fell into abeyance among the 4th Baron's four daughters until 1913, when it was determined in favour of Francis Money-Coutts, 5th Baron Latymer, a descendant of the 4th Baron's daughter Lucy.
In 1545, Latimer married Lucy Somerset, the daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester, by his second wife, Elizabeth Browne, the daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, who became a lady-in-waiting to her husband's former step-mother, Queen Catherine Parr. They had four daughters:
- Katherine (1545-46 – 28 October 1596), who married firstly, Henry Percy, 8th Earl of Northumberland, and secondly, Francis Fitton of Binfield.
- Dorothy (1548–1609), who married Thomas Cecil, 1st Earl of Exeter.
- Lucy (c. 1549 – April 1608), who married Sir William Cornwallis (c. 1551 – 1611) of Brome, Suffolk.
- Elizabeth (c. 1550 – 1630), who married firstly Sir John Danvers (1540–1594) of Dauntsey, and secondly, Sir Edmund Carey. Her eldest son, Sir Charles Danvers (c. 1568 – 1601), was attainted and executed in 1601 for his part in the Essex rebellion.
All of their daughters' first marriages above produced children.
- Sir John Neville, 4th Lord Latimer1,2,3
- M, #21872, b. circa 1520, d. 23 April 1577
- Father Sir John Neville, 3rd Lord Latimer3 b. 17 Nov 1493, d. 2 Mar 1543
- Mother Dorothy Vere3 b. c 1497, d. bt 7 Feb 1526 - 1527
- Sir John Neville, 4th Lord Latimer Tried unsuccessfully to "ravish wife of the house where he lay" in London in 1557. He was born circa 1520 at of Snape Hall, Yorkshire, England; Age 23 in 1543.3 He married Lucy Somerset, daughter of Sir Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl Worcester, Constable of Bristol Castle and Elizabeth Browne, in 1545 at of Chepstow, Middlesex, England; They had 4 daughters (Catherine, wife of Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, & of Francis Fitton; Dorothy, wife of Sir Thomas Cecil, 1st Earl of Exeter; Lucy; wife of Sir William Cornwallis; & Elizabeth, wife of Sir John Danvers, & of Sir Edmund Carey).3 Sir John Neville, 4th Lord Latimer died on 23 April 1577 at Snape, Yorkshire, England; Buried at Well.3
- Family Lucy Somerset b. c 1524, d. 23 Feb 1583
- Catherine Neville+ b. 1546, d. 28 Oct 1596
- Dorothy Neville+ b. c 1548, d. 23 Mar 1609
- Lucy Neville+ b. c 1549, d. 30 Apr 1608
- Elizabeth Neville b. c 1550
- [S6635] Unknown author, Royal Highness, Ancestry of the Royal Child, by Moncreiffe, p. 29.
- [S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. VII, p. 484-485.
- [S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 52.
- From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p728.htm#i21872
- John Neville, 4th Lord Latymer1
- M, #16623, b. circa 1520, d. 22 April 1577
- Last Edited=18 Sep 2013
- Consanguinity Index=0.06%
- John Neville, 4th Lord Latymer was born circa 1520.2 He was the son of John Neville, 3rd Lord Latymer and Dorothea de Vere.3 He married Lady Lucy Somerset, daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester and Elizabeth Browne, circa 1545.3 He died on 22 April 1577, without male issue.3
- He succeeded to the title of 4th Lord Latymer [E., 1432] on 2 March 1542/43.3 He fought in the French Campaign in 1544.3 He fought in the Scttish Wars in 1545.3 He was invested as a Knight in 1545.3
- On his death, the Barony of Latimer fell into abeyance between his four daughters and co-heirs, and so remained until 1913, when Francis Burdett Thomas Coutts-Nevill was summoned to Parliament by writ, dated 11 February 1913.3
- Children of John Neville, 4th Lord Latymer and Lady Lucy Somerset
- Katherine Neville+3 d. 28 Oct 1596
- Lucy Neville+4 d. 30 Apr 1608
- Elizabeth Neville+3 b. 1545, d. c 21 Jun 1630
- Dorothy Neville+1 b. c 1546, d. 23 Mar 1608
- [S37] BP2003 volume 1, page 1363. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
- [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume VII, page 484. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
- [S37] BP2003. [S37]
- [S6] Cokayne, and others, The Complete Peerage, volume I, page 203.
- From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p1663.htm#i16623
- John NEVILLE (4º B. Latimer)
- Born: BET 1520/1530
- Died: 22 Apr 1577, Snape, Yorkshire, England
- Buried: Well
- Father: John NEVILLE (3º B. Latimer)
- Mother: Dorothy De VERE (B. Latimer)
- Married: Lucy SOMERSET (B. Latimer) 1545
- 1. Catherine NEVILLE (C. Northumberland)
- 2. Margaret NEVILLE (D. Atholl)
- 3. Dorothy NEVILLE (C. Exeter)
- 4. Lucy NEVILLE
- 5. Elizabeth NEVILLE
- From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE3.htm#John NEVILLE (4º B. Latimer)
- Sir John Neville
- Birth: 1520 Snape, North Yorkshire, England
- Death: Apr. 22, 1577 Snape, North Yorkshire, England
- Family links:
- John Nevill (1493 - 1543)
- Lucy Somerset Neville (1524 - 1583)*
- Dorothy Neville Cecil (____ - 1608)*
- Elizabeth Neville Carey (____ - 1630)*
- Katherine Neville Percy (1546 - 1596)*
- Burial: St Michael Churchyard, Well, Hambleton District, North Yorkshire, England
- Find A Grave Memorial# 85060054
- From: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=85060054
John Neville, 4th Baron Latymer的年谱
Snape Hall, Snape, Yorkshire, England
Snape, North Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Neville, born between 1545 and 1550, was the youngest daughter of John Neville, 4th Baron Latimer, and Lucy Somerset, the daughter of Henry Somerset, 2nd Earl of Worcester, by his second wife, Elizabeth Browne, the daughter of Sir Anthony Browne, Lieutenant of Calais, by his second wife, Lucy Neville, daughter of John Neville, 1st Marquess of Montagu
Snape, Yorkshire, England
Monmouthshire, Chepstowe, England