John Toliver

From the Cheek Family:

http://www.moonzstuff.com/toliver/john1725.html

John Toliver, presumed father of the "Five Toliver Brothers" of Wilkes Co., NC, was born abt. 1725 (rough estimate), probably in Virginia. The only thing known about him is his name, and even that is subject to debate (see notes, below).

Possible children of John Toliver:

• 1. Moses Toliver was born before 1750, maybe in Fauquier Co., VA; reportedly died 1815 en route to Indiana. First appears on the 1774 Tax List of Surry Co., NC. On June 3, 1778, he entered a land claim for 100 acres on Mulberry Creek in Wilkes Co., NC. (Wilkes Land Entry Book, No. 158.) On Oct. 27, 1782, he and his wife Elizabeth conveyed these 100 acres to Abraham EDINS. (Wilkes DB A-1, p.254.) They then moved to the South Fork of the New River in the vicinity of Dog Creek. (See Wilkes Co., NC, DB D, p.392; Ashe Land Grant No. 966.) Moses and his family reportedly left for Indiana in 1815 and Moses died on the way.
• 2. William Toliver was born before 1750, maybe in Fauquier Co., VA; d. 1824, Warren Co., TN; m. (1) Susannah, (2) Juda DENNY BALTRIP, a widow, bef. 1805. William Toliver first appears on the 1771 Tax List of Surry Co., NC. In 1778 and 1779, he entered claims for land in Wilkes Co., NC, on Harris' Creek and the south fork of the Roaring River. (Wilkes Land Entry Book, Nos. 152, 817, 1244.) He moved to Warren Co., TN, bef. 1812 when he appears on a tax list. See W. Wayne Rogers, Greener Pastures: From the Tidewater to Texas and Beyond (1996). Children: Zachariah Toliver (c.1785), Nancy B. Toliver (1785), John Toliver (1786), Charles Toliver (c.1789), Jacob Toliver (c.1790), William Toliver (c.1798).
• 3. Sarah Toliver, b. 1755-1765, VA or NC; d. ? in Coffee Co., TN; m. David HICKERSON. They lived in Wilkes Co., NC, until abt. 1812 when they moved to Franklin Co., TN, which later became Coffee Co., TN.
• 4. +Jesse Toliver, b. 1756, Fauquier Co., VA; d. Mar. 4, 1838, in Ashe Co., NC; m. Martha Frances "Franky" STAMPER, daughter of Jonathan & Rachel STAMPER, Apr. 1782, Wilkes Co., NC (b. Feb. 14, 1767; d. 1850-1860).
• 5. +John Toliver, b. abt. 1764 in North Carolina; d. 1862, Alleghany Co., NC; m. Tabitha HOWELL, daughter of James HOWELL, around 1784 (b. 1765; d. 1845).
• 6. Lucy Toliver, b. 1765-1774, probably in NC; d. 1832 in Lawrence Co., IN; m. William MAXWELL, abt. 1786 (b. 1755-1765; d. 1820-1830 in Lawrence Co., IN).
• 7. Charles Toliver, b. 1765-1774, probably in NC; d. 1832, Lawrence Co., IN; m. Susan EDWARDS, daughter of David EDWARDS, Sr., & Elizabeth MORRIS (b. 1765-1774; d. 1840-1850); bur. Freedom Cemetery, Lawrence Co., IN. On July 28, 1791, Charles Toliver purchased a tract of land on the Little River & the mouth of Bledsoes Creek in what was then Wilkes Co., NC (later Ashe, later Alleghany Co., NC). (Wilkes DB B-1, p.393.) Jan. 1, 1798, granted 100 acres in Wilkes Co. adj. his own land & Vial Creek. (Land Grant No. 1576.) Listed in the 1800 census of Ashe Co., NC, and 1810 census of Surry Co., NC. Moved to Lawrence Co., IN, in 1815. Will dated 1832 in Lawrence Co., IN. Daughter Thursey Toliver Way was interviewed by the Lawrence Co., IN, Farmer's Guide on Feb. 26, 1916, when she was 103 years old.

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John Toliver is the presumed father of the five Toliver "brothers" (Moses, William, Jesse, John, and Charles) who appear in the records in Surry County, NC, in 1771. The Brothers had two "sisters", Sarah Toliver who married David Hickerson, and Lucy Toliver who married William Maxwell.

Nothing is known about the mysterious father of the "Five Brothers." Jesse Toliver's family Bible, which is preserved in his Revolutionary War pension file, has the name "JOHN TOLIVER, J." (Jr.?) written at the top of a page over the name Jesse Toliver, followed by a list of Jesse Toliver's children. This seems to suggest that Jesse Toliver's father was named John Toliver. However, there is still a lot of speculation and debate about the origin of the Five Brothers.

The first record of the Toliver family in western North Carolina is the Surry County tax list of 1771, which shows two Toliver households: JOHN TOLIVER, with one "poll" (i.e., one adult subject to the poll tax), and WILLIAM TOLIVER, four polls. Some researchers believe that William must have been the father of the "brothers."

Three years later, the tax list of 1774 records the presence of JOHN TOLIVER, WILLIAM TOLIVER, MOSES TOLIVER, and JESSE TOLIVER, one poll each. During the 1770's and 1780's, we find Jesse, Moses, John, and William Tolliver (Toliver, Tollafaro) living in the vicinity of Mulberry Creek, Roaring River, and Round Top Mountain in Wilkes County. (Wilkes County was formed from Surry County in 1777.)

A land entry in Wilkes County dated June 3, 1778 (Entry No. 159) states that JESSE TOLOVER entered 300 acres on Mulberry waters on both sides of road leading from John ROBBINS, Sr. over to Roaring River Settlement, "being improvement JOHN TOLOVER, SR. now lives on." This entry implies that there were two John Tolivers in Wilkes County (an older and a younger) who needed to be distinguished in the records. The elder John Toliver could have been Jesse's father.

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Some researchers have identified Jesse Toliver's father as Dr. John Taliaferro who lived on Fisher's River in Surry County, NC, but this is unlikely. Dr. John Taliaferro was a Baptist minister and physician originally from Caroline County, VA. (See The Heritage of Surry County, Vol. I (1983).) Jesse Toliver was born in Fauquier County, VA, according to his Revolutionary War pension application, and his family moved to the James River about 30 miles above Richmond (i.e., probably Goochland or Cumberland County, VA) before migrating to North Carolina.

The 1956 book by Sherman Nell Watson, Richard Taliaferro (1762-1836) His Ancestors and Descendants, claimed that the "Five Brothers" were sons of Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp of Essex County, VA. But Charles Taliaferro died in 1721 and could not have been the father of any of the "Brothers," who were born in the 1740's to the 1760's.

A DNA study conducted in 2003 by the Taliaferro DNA Project found a genetic match between descendants of four of the "Five Brothers" (Jesse, Charles, William, and Moses). A descendant of the fifth brother, John, did not match the others. However, John, Jesse, and Moses did consider themselves to be brothers, proven by a declaration that John Toliver filed in 1856 in support of a Revolutionary War pension application by the widow of Capt. Samuel Johnson. In the declaration, John refers to his "older brothers" Jesse and Moses Toliver (more…) It is possible that additional descendants of John Toliver need to be tested to verify the DNA results. If the results are valid, then John Toliver must have had a different father than Jesse and Moses.

None of the Five Toliver Brothers matched anyone from the Taliaferro family of Virginia, which rules out out the Taliaferros as ancestors of the Toliver Brothers, at least in a direct male line. It is possible that the Tolivers could be related to the Taliaferros through a female line, such as a child born out of wedlock who took the Taliaferro (Toliver) name. Although it is difficult to speculate about the actual relationhip between the Tolivers and the Taliaferros, it is true that the Toliver family of Wilkes and Alleghany County occasionally spelled their name Talifer, Talifero or Tollafaro rather than Toliver, and there is even an example of the exact spelling Taliaferro in an 1867 deed involving the heirs of Jesse Toliver's son Solomon Toliver (Alleghany DB 3:336).

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So, the Five Toliver Brothers continue to be an intriguing source of speculation, conjecture, and debate among their descendants. Was their father John or William? Did they really come from Fauquier County, VA? Were they really brothers, or perhaps cousins? Were they related to the Taliaferros of Virginia? We may never known all the answers to this riddle.

John (Taliaferro) Toliver

• Birth: 1720 - Williamsburg, James, Virginia, USA
• Parents: Charles Taliaferro, Ann Kemp
• Wife: Elizabeth Symes
• Children: Moses Toliver, Jesse 1 Toliver, William Toliver, John Toliver, Charles Tolliver, Sarah Toliver, Lucy 1 Toliver
• Death: Apr 20 1821 - Lawrence, Indiana, United States

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From his Find A Grave Page:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=88623382&ref=wvr

John Taliaferro

• Birth: 1726 - Wilkes County, North Carolina, USA
• Death: Jun. 24, 1821 - Lawrence County, Indiana, USA

John was the son of Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp. He married Unknown. They had at least one son named Moses (b. 1758) who married Elizabeth Stamper.

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Find A Grave contributor Thomas Ebling has made a suggestion 10-31-12 regarding Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro:

Dna tests on the family prove that Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp are not related to John Taliaferro (Toliver) and his descendants.

Do NOT rely on LDS files regarding this line; they are PLAGUED with inaccuracies.

I have that John Taliaferro (Toliver) was born around 1725 and died before 1780. I have that he married Elizabeth Syndor.

I have his children as follows:

• 1.) Moses Toliver, married Elizabeth Stamper
• 2.) William Toliver, married Juda Denny
• 3.) Jesse Toliver, married Frankie Stamper
• 4.) John Toliver, married Tabitha Howell
• 5.) Sarah Ann Toliver, married David Hickerson
• 6.) Charles Toliver, married Susan Edwards (this is my line)
• 7.) Lucy Toliver, married William Maxwell

More information on the family can be found at the following link:

http://www.ingenweb.org/inorange/familyfiles/toliver_family.htm

The Tolivers of Lawrence & Orange Counties, Indiana

"A Family History"--Written by Robert E. Lane, October 2011

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Info from the link:

"He died on June 24, 1821. John was buried at Freedom Cemetery in Marion Township, Lawrence County, IN. according to some researchers. This has not been proven."

NOTE: I've made his burial in Freedom Cemetery in Lawrence Co., IN as my info. has that he died there. I previously had his burial as "Unknown."

Family links:

Parents:

• Charles Taliaferro (1690 - 1721)
• Ann Kemp Taliaferro (1694 - 1721)

Children:

• Moses Toliver (1758 - 1821)

Burial: Freedom Cemetery, Mitchell, Lawrence County, Indiana, USA

• Created by: Debra"Polly"~♫+...
• Record added: Apr 16, 2012
• Find A Grave Memorial# 88623382

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Possible John or William-sourced from "The Tolivers of Lawrence & Orange Counties, Indiana document included in custom fact below.

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Charles Taliaferro was the fifth child a

Charles Taliaferro was the fifth child and fourth son of John Taliaferro and Sara Smith, born 1690 in Virginia. He married Ann Kemp (who was probably related to our Camp/Kemp relatives in North Carolina) in 1714 in Virginia. No record of family at this writing. Source: Ancestry Files and LDS Records 1994

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Update from Find A Grave

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88623382/john-toliver

John was the son of Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp. He married Unknown. They had at least one son named Moses (b. 1758) who married Elizabeth Stamper. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Thomas Ebling has made a suggestion 10-31-12 regarding Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro:

Dna tests on the family prove that Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp are not related to John Taliaferro (Toliver) and his descendants. Do NOT rely on LDS files regarding this line; they are PLAGUED with inaccuracies.

I have that John Taliaferro (Toliver) was born around 1725 and died before 1780. I have that he married Elizabeth Syndor.

I have his children as follows:

1.) Moses Toliver, married Elizabeth Stamper 2.) William Toliver, married Juda Denny 3.) Jesse Toliver, married Frankie Stamper 4.) John Toliver, married Tabitha Howell 5.) Sarah Ann Toliver, married David Hickerson 6.) Charles Toliver, married Susan Edwards (this is my line) 7.) Lucy Toliver, married William Maxwell

More information on the family can be found at the following link:

http://www.ingenweb.org/inorange/familyfiles/ toliver_family.htm

The Tolivers of Lawrence & Orange Counties, Indiana

"A Family History"--Written by Robert E. Lane October 2011 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Info from the link:

"He died on June 24, 1821. John was buried at Freedom Cemetery in Marion Township, Lawrence County, IN. according to some researchers. This has not been proven."

NOTE: I've made his burial in Freedom Cemetery in Lawrence Co., IN as my info. has that he died there. I previously had his burial as "Unknown." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Carole Conrad has made a suggestion to you 5-9-14 regarding your Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro.

Hi! Excellent grave sites and info. Pls change name to Toliver (one l at that time period) as the DNA now proves we are not Italian at all and not related to the Italian taliaferros of surry cty nc who pronounced their name as we do..toliver.

thks for all u do. cc

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!SOURCE: SLC FHL Ancestral File. !NOTE:

!SOURCE: SLC FHL Ancestral File. !NOTE: It appears that a surname change was had from TALIAFERRO to TOLLIVER by his descendants.

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GENEALOGIES OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES FROM TY

GENEALOGIES OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES FROM TYLER'S QUARTERLY HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE, Vol. III, 1981: "The Taliaferro Family", by John Bailey Calvert Nicklin: Charles, who married Anne Kemp and they had two children. VIRGINIA TAX RECORDS FROM THE VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY & BIOGRAPHY, THE WILLIAM & MARY COLLEGE QUARTERLY AND TYLER'S QUARTER, 1983: "Essex County: An Annotated Copy of the Rent Roll of 1704", by John Bailey Calvert Nicklin: Taliaferro, Charles (d. 1721); married Anne Kemp. TALIAFERRO TIMES, Vol. II, Issue 5, 17 Sep 1997, submitted by W. Wayne Rogers: Charles Taliaferro 1692-1719 m about 1714 to Ann Kemp. Two children. VIRGINIA WILL RECORDS TAKEN FROM THE VIRGINIA MAGAZINE OF HISTORY AND BIOGRAPHY, THE WILLIAM AND MARY COLLEGE QUARTERLY AND TYLER'S QUARTERLY, reproduced on Broderbund's Software CD #174 (Virginia Vital Records #1, 1600s-1800s), "Genealogical Notes Gleaned from Virginia Court Reports", by W. Ronald Cocke: 1786. Taliaferro & al v. Taliaferro & al. John Taliaferro, deceased. Will dated in June 1715. Widow. Issue: ... II. Charles married and had issue ...

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Life Sketch

John Toliver Birth: 1726 Wilkes County North Carolina, USA Death: Jun. 24, 1821 Lawrence County Indiana, USA

John was the son of Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp. He married Unknown. They had at least one son named Moses (b. 1758) who married Elizabeth Stamper. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Thomas Ebling has made a suggestion 10-31-12 regarding Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro:

Dna tests on the family prove that Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp are not related to John Taliaferro (Toliver) and his descendants. Do NOT rely on LDS files regarding this line; they are PLAGUED with inaccuracies.

I have that John Taliaferro (Toliver) was born around 1725 and died before 1780. I have that he married Elizabeth Syndor.

I have his children as follows:

1.) Moses Toliver, married Elizabeth Stamper 2.) William Toliver, married Juda Denny 3.) Jesse Toliver, married Frankie Stamper 4.) John Toliver, married Tabitha Howell 5.) Sarah Ann Toliver, married David Hickerson 6.) Charles Toliver, married Susan Edwards (this is my line) 7.) Lucy Toliver, married William Maxwell

More information on the family can be found at the following link:

http://www.ingenweb.org/inorange/familyfiles/ toliver_family.htm

The Tolivers of Lawrence & Orange Counties, Indiana

"A Family History"--Written by Robert E. Lane October 2011 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Info from the link:

"He died on June 24, 1821. John was buried at Freedom Cemetery in Marion Township, Lawrence County, IN. according to some researchers. This has not been proven."

NOTE: I've made his burial in Freedom Cemetery in Lawrence Co., IN as my info. has that he died there. I previously had his burial as "Unknown." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Carole Conrad has made a suggestion to you 5-9-14 regarding your Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro.

Hi! Excellent grave sites and info. Pls change name to Toliver (one l at that time period) as the DNA now proves we are not Italian at all and not related to the Italian taliaferros of surry cty nc who pronounced their name as we do..toliver.

thks for all u do. cc

Family links: Parents: Ann Kemp Taliaferro (1694 - 1721)

Children: William Toliver (1750 - 1824)* Moses Toliver (1754 - 1821)* Jesse Toliver (1756 - 1838)* Sarah Ann Toliver Hickerson (1757 - 1840)* John Toliver (1760 - 1863)* Charles Toliver (1765 - 1832)* Lucy Toliver Maxwell (1768 - 1832)*

Sibling: John Toliver (1726 - 1821) Jesse Toliver (1756 - 1838)*

• Calculated relationship

Burial: Freedom Cemetery Mitchell Lawrence County Indiana, USA

Maintained by: Find A Grave Originally Created by: Debra Polly Record added: Apr 16, 2012 Find A Grave Memorial# 88623382

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[Rebecca Moon, Genealogy of the Cheek Fa

[Rebecca Moon, Genealogy of the Cheek Family of Alleghany County, NorthCarolina] I've just learned about a fascinating DNA project organized by Toliverdescendant Wayne Rogers and others. They used the services of theFamilyTreeDNA company to compare Y-DNA samples from descendants of all ofthe "5 Toliver brothers" and known descendants of Robert Taliaferro ofVirginia. Y-DNA is passed unchanged from father to son, so it can beused to determine whether or not a given group of men have a common maleancestor. More generally, Y-DNA varies among ethnic groups so it canprovide some clues about the family's ethnic origins.

The Y-DNA obtained from the Toliver descendants does NOT match the Y-DNAobtained from Robert Taliaferro's known descendants. This conclusivelyproves that the Tolivers of North Carolina are NOT descendants of RobertTaliaferro. It also confirms the years of traditional genealogicalresearch that has failed to uncover any evidence of a relationshipbetween the North Carolina Tolivers and the Taliaferros of Virginia.

The DNA project has provided some additional clues about the fivebrothers' origins. The DNA from the descendants of Jesse, Charles,William, and Moses Toliver was an exact match, proving these four menwere either brothers or cousins through the male line. Their genetic"markers" indicate that their common male ancestor was European.

The DNA obtained from descendants of the fifth "brother," John Toliver(who m. Tabitha Howell), did not match the others and may beMediterranean/Spanish in origin (Melungeon?). Because the moretraditional genealogical evidence (land records, etc.) clearly shows aconnection between John Toliver and the other "brothers," it is possiblethat he was their cousin on the maternal side. It is also "conceivable"(pun intended -- ha ha) that he was a step-child, or adopted, or born outof wedlock, or his mother had a secret she wasn't telling her husband.It is impossible to draw any firm conclusions.

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Charles Toliver

The following is from information complied by Clarence J. Tolliver in 1988

Charles Toliver born about 1730. His will was written 6-24-1821, and probated 3-19-1832. This information was obtained from the family bible of his son John. If these dates are correct he would of died at the age 102 years. He was Revolutionary Soidier who came with his sons to Indiana. There is no record of his wife's name. He later came to Illinois and was one of the pioneers of Clay County, Ill.

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TALIAFERRO-TOLIVER FAMILY RECORDS, by Ne

TALIAFERRO-TOLIVER FAMILY RECORDS, by Nell W. Sherman: Charles Taliaferro (3) b. d. ab. 1712, before his father died [Charles Taliaferro Sr., d. 1734]. Married Sara Slaughter. GENEALOGIES OF VIRGINIA FAMILIES TAKEN FROM TYLERS QUARTERLY HISTORICAL AND GENEALOGICAL MAGAZINE, 1981, "The Taliaferro Family", by William Buckner McGroarty: Charles2 was the son of Robert1. He had an only son, apparently an only child, whose name was also Charles - not John. The second Charles, who pre-deceased his father, married Sarah Slaughter, the daughter of Thomas and Sarah (Thornton) Slaughter.

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May have been born on Mount Taliferro. S

May have been born on Mount Taliferro. Searched the following but found nothing: 6125452 - VA Marriage Bonds

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88623382/john-toliver

John Toliver BIRTH 1726 Wilkes County, North Carolina, USA DEATH 24 Jun 1821 (aged 94–95) Lawrence County, Indiana, USA BURIAL Freedom Cemetery Mitchell, Lawrence County, Indiana, USA MEMORIAL ID 88623382 · View Source

John was the son of Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp. He married Unknown. They had at least one son named Moses (b. 1758) who married Elizabeth Stamper. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Thomas Ebling has made a suggestion 10-31-12 regarding Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro:

Dna tests on the family prove that Charles Taliaferro and Ann Kemp are not related to John Taliaferro (Toliver) and his descendants. Do NOT rely on LDS files regarding this line; they are PLAGUED with inaccuracies.

I have that John Taliaferro (Toliver) was born around 1725 and died before 1780. I have that he married Elizabeth Syndor.

I have his children as follows:

1.) Moses Toliver, married Elizabeth Stamper 2.) William Toliver, married Juda Denny 3.) Jesse Toliver, married Frankie Stamper 4.) John Toliver, married Tabitha Howell 5.) Sarah Ann Toliver, married David Hickerson 6.) Charles Toliver, married Susan Edwards (this is my line) 7.) Lucy Toliver, married William Maxwell

More information on the family can be found at the following link:

http://www.ingenweb.org/inorange/familyfiles/ toliver_family.htm

The Tolivers of Lawrence & Orange Counties, Indiana

"A Family History"--Written by Robert E. Lane October 2011 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Info from the link:

"He died on June 24, 1821. John was buried at Freedom Cemetery in Marion Township, Lawrence County, IN. according to some researchers. This has not been proven."

NOTE: I've made his burial in Freedom Cemetery in Lawrence Co., IN as my info. has that he died there. I previously had his burial as "Unknown." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Find A Grave contributor Carole Conrad has made a suggestion to you 5-9-14 regarding your Find A Grave memorial for John Taliaferro.

Hi! Excellent grave sites and info. Pls change name to Toliver (one l at that time period) as the DNA now proves we are not Italian at all and not related to the Italian taliaferros of surry cty nc who pronounced their name as we do..toliver.

thks for all u do. cc

Family Members Parents Ann Kemp Taliaferro 1694–1721

Siblings Jesse Toliver 1756–1838

Children William Toliver 1750–1824

Moses Toliver 1754–1821

Jesse Toliver 1756–1838

Photo Sarah Ann Toliver Hickerson 1757–1840

Photo John Toliver 1760–1863

Charles Toliver 1765–1832

Lucy Toliver Maxwell 1768–1832