John Williams, of Wotten under Edge

John Williams was born in 1520 / 1535 in Wotton-under- Edge, Gloucester Co., , England. He died on 27 Aug 1578/1579. He was buried in St.Mary Virgin, Churchyard, Gloucester, England. He married Theobalde in 1554.

Abstract of the will of John Willyams of Wotten under Edge in the Countie of Gloucester. dated 17 Apryll 1578.

My souls to God & my bodie to be buried in the Churche Yarde of Wotton.
I give to the poore people inhabytinge and dwelling in the parish of Wotton
4 bushels of malt.
I give to William Willyams my sonne 5 pounds to be paid to him at the Feast of Saynte Michell the Archangell 1579.
I give to John Willyams my sonne 5 pounds in year 1581.
I give to Hughe Willyams my sonne 5 pounds at the age of 24 yeares.
I give to Frannces Willyams my daughter 5 pounds at day of her marriage or at the age of 20 years.
I give to Richard Burnam son of Anthony Burnam a yew & a lambe.
To Johane Willyams the daughter of Edmond Williams a yew & a lambe.
I give the rest of my goods to Theobald mt wife and make her Sole Executrix.
Overseers: William Maynard, Francis Plomer, William Maynde, Nicholas Wynde,
John Touche, and others. Proved 25 June 1579 at Gloucester.

Theobalde was born about 1535. She married John Williams in 1554. She may be the Tybboll Williams buried in the St. Mary the Virgin churchyard 9 Jan 1608.

They had the following children:

1. William (John) Williams
2. John Williams was born about 1557.
3. Hugh Williams was born about 1560. He was less than 24 years in 1578 according to father's will.
4. Frances Williams was born about 1562. A Frances Williams was buried 11 March 1581 in Wotten.

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John WILLIAMS was born 1535 in Huntingdon, Near Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucester, England, and died AUG 1578. He was buried 27 AUG 1578 in St. Marys, Wotton-Underedge, Gloucester, England.

He was the son of 2. Richard WILLIAMS and 3. Christian Wife of Richard WILLIAMS.

He married Theobalde Wife of John WILLIAMS. She was born ABT 1540.

Children

• Has Children William Williams b: ABT 1560 in Huntingdon, Glocestershire, England
• Has Children Richard WILLIAMS b: ABT 1570 in Glamorganshire, Wales

notes

He was a cousin of the Richard Williams b.1606, son of William Williams who descended from a family of that name in Glamorganshire, Wales. William Williams was of Synwell, a hamlet in Wotton-under-Edge, Gloucester. according to his will, he speaks of his brother Mr. Richard Williams.

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Marriage-Death information is found in "The American Genealogist", Volumes 9-11. Edited by Donald Lines Jacobus, published by Picton Press of Cam den, Maine 1989. Information found on Page 143-141. [Allen Lamb via Don Baldwin WFT V52 + 1299] vlww 27 March 2002

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New England Historical & Genealogical Register Page: 51:212

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NEHGR April 1897, pp. 210-211 - Richard Williams of Taunton by Josiah H. Drummond (illustrating the Cromwell-Williams relationship) Note: John Williams of Huntingdon, near Wotton-Under-Edge, Gloucester, died in 1570, leaving son William. No other particulars of this family are given.

Birth: 1520 Death: 1579?

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GEDCOM Note

Biography

Disputed Parentage: Richard Williams of Dixton, Gloucestershire ===Gov. Joseph Hartwell Williams' lineage of the Williams family, published in NEHGR in 1897<ref name="NEHGR51p212"/> and relied upon by several secondary sources (including Cutter's "New England Families"<ref name="Cutter4p2102"/> and Frost's "Ancestors of Amyntas Shaw"<ref name="Shaw17"/>), shows that he was the son of a Richard Williams of Dixton, Monmouthshire and his second wife Christian. There is indeed a will ofa Richard Williams of Dixton, Gloucestershire with a wife named Christian and a son named John.<ref name="RichardWill"/> There were, however, a very large number of Richard Williams and John Williams in Gloucestershire at the time and no reliable evidence has been found that supports the proposition that John Williams, son of Richard Williams of Dixton, was the same person as John Williams who died in Wotton-under-Edge in 1578. The distance between Dixton and Wotton-under-Edge is approximately 40 miles, which is too far to use proximity as an argument that they were likely the same person.

Exhaustive research, including by the College of Arms, published in TAG in 1932 was unable to find any evidence that established the parentage of John Williams and concluded that "little reliance can be placed on [Gov. Joseph Hartwell's lineage of the Williams family], as the researches then carried out were apparently made with the object of supporting the preconceived idea that a connection existed with the family of Cromwell alias Williams."<ref name="TAG9p137"/>

Date and Place of Birth ===John's date and place of birth are uncertain. Based on the fact that his eldest son was probably born sometime in 1548-1558, John was probably born sometime in 1520-36, with 1530 being a decent best-guess estimate. One of the researchers retained for the 1932 TAG article speculated that John Williams of Wotton-under-Edge probably came from somewhere else, possibly from Wales, as a large number of people migrated fromWales to the English border counties during that period.<ref name="TAG9p137"/> It is therefore a reasonable proposition that John was born in either Gloucestershire or Wales.

Of Huntingdon or Huntingford? ===Gov. Joseph Hartwell Williams' lineage of the Williams family describes John as "of Huntingdon, near Wotton-under-Edge."<ref name="NEHGR51p212"/><ref name="Cutter4p2102"/><ref name="Shaw17"/>) No reliable source has been found for any Huntingdon that is near Wotton-under-Edge. The town of Huntingdon and the district of Huntingdonshire are more than150 miles away. There is, however, a hamlet called Huntingford, whichis part of the parish of Wotton-under-Edge, and less than 4 miles west of the hamlet of Synwell. Although no reliable evidence has been found that establishes that John lived in Huntingford, the proximity makes it plausible.

Marriage ===John's will refers to his wife Theobalde. Her maiden name is unknown. Assuming that she was the mother of all of John's children, John and Theobalde were probably married sometime in 1545-1558, with 1554 being a reasonable best-guess estimate. Their place of marriage, like John'splace of birth, is uncertain and may have been in Wotton-under-Edge, elsewhere in Gloucestershire or perhaps in Wales.

Children ===Based on the children named in John's will, John and (presumptively) Theobalde, had the following children:# William, b. perhaps about 1556, m. 1st November 15, 1585 Jane Shepard at Wotton-under-Edge, m. 2d December 14, 1603 JaneWoodward at Cam, Gloucestershire, buried September 29, 1618 at Wotton-under-Edge# John, b. perhaps about 1558, m. (2d?) November 15,1585 Katherine Plomer at Wotton-under-Edge, had issue buried in 1585 and baptized in 1599 in Wotton-under-Edge# Hugh, b. perhaps about 1560 (under 24 at time of father's will in 1578), had issue baptized in 1599 and 1603 in Wotton-under-Edge# Frances, b. perhaps about 1562 (under 20 at time of father's will in 1578), perhaps buried March 11, 1581 in Wotton-under-Edge

Will; Death ===John made his will on April 17, 1578. In his will, he requested to be buried in the church yard of Wotton, made bequests to the poor of Wotton, sons William, John and Hugh, daughter Frances, Richard Burnam son of Anthony Burnam, and Johane Williams daughter of Edmond Williams, bequeathed all the rest of his goods to Theobald his wife and made her sole executrix.<ref name="Will"/><ref name="TAG9p141-2"/> John was buried at Wotton-under-Edge on August 27, 1578. His will was proved on June 25, 1579.<ref name="TAG9p141-2"/>

John was born about 1520. He passed away in 1578.

<ref name="Burial">Archives; Gloucestershire, England; Gloucestershire Anglican Parish Registers; Reference Number: P379 IN 1/1</ref> <ref name="TAG9p141-2">The American Genealogist. New Haven, CT, Vol 9 (1932), pp 141-2: D. L. Jacobus, 1937-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .)</ref> <ref name="Will">Gloucestershire Probate Records. Diocese of Gloucestershire, Finding Reference GDR, Wills and Inventories. Gloucestershire Archives, Gloucester, UK. Date: 1579, Will Number:50, Wotton under Edge, Consistory Court of Gloucester, Reference Code: 211050</ref> <ref name="TAG9p137">The American Genealogist. New Haven, CT, Vol 9 (1932), p 137: D. L. Jacobus, 1937-. (Online database. AmericanAncestors.org. New England Historic Genealogical Society, 2009 - .)</ref> <ref name="Shaw17">Josephine C. Frost, "Ancestors of Amyntas Shaw and His Wife Lucy Tufts Williams," 1920, p 17</ref> <ref name="Cutter4p2102">William Richard Cutter, "New England Families: Genealogical and Memorial, Vol IV," 1915, p 2102</ref> <ref name="NEHGR51p212">"Richard Williams of Taunton and his Connection with the Cromwell Family," New England Historical and Genealogical Register, Volume 51 (1897)," p 212</ref> <ref name="RichardWill">Gloucestershire Probate Records. Diocese of Gloucestershire, Finding Reference GDR, Wills and Inventories. Gloucestershire Archives, Gloucester, UK. Date: 1559. Will: 255. Reference Code 207325</ref>

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