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John ap Thomas

Also Known As: "Sion"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Ammanford, Carmarthenshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Death: Died in Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:

Son of Thomas "Hynaf" ap Gruffudd, Earl of Cardiff and Elizabeth Gruffudd
Husband of Eleanor Vaughan and Joan 2nd ap Thomas
Father of Sir Thomas Jones, MP; Annes ferch John; Denis ferch John; Catrin ferch John; Gwenllian ferch John and 2 others
Brother of Sir Rhys ap Thomas, K.G., of Dynevor; Morgan ap Thomas; David ap Thomas; ? verch Thomas; Margaret verch Thomas and 3 others
Half brother of unknown Dau verch Thomas

Managed by: Patricia Norton Chong
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About John ap Thomas

◦KINSHIP: Illegitimate son. (Dwnn, Heraldic Visitations of Wales, vol. 2 p. 26)

DISTINCTION: Esquire. (Thomas, Golden Grove MS, book 2 p. A142)
RESIDENCE: Abermarles. (Buckley, Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913, p. 3)
RESIDENCE: Newton. (Thomas, Golden Grove MS, book 2 p. A142)
PROPERTY: He had Abermarlais by gift of his half-brother Sir Rhys ap Thomas. (Rowland, Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi, p. 13)
(Research) KINSHIP: Investigate> Buckley's 'Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913' pages 3 and 6 make him the son of Elizabeth daughter of Francis son of Philip, Duke of Burgundy.
(Research) KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 1 page 86 inserts an extra generation between John and Thomas called Thomas, then states "this is wrong".
(Research) MARRIAGE: Conflict/Error> Evan's 'British Genealogist' book 2 page B121 gives him as wife his brother John's wife Jonet ferch Thomas.

◦(Research):KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Rowland's 'Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi' page 14 gives him a son named William from whom Sir James Williams of Pant Hywel descended, but this William is the son of another son of Thomas ap Gruffudd named John by a different wife.

KINSHIP: Conflict/Error> Rowland's 'Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi' page 13 states "a son by his second wife Elizabeth a dr. of John the Bold, Duke of Burgundy and Earl of Flanders".

Sources:

1.[S2436] #4569 Welsh Genealogies AD 1400-1500 (1983), Bartrum, Peter C. (Peter Clement), (18 volumes, with supplements containing additions and corrections. Aberystwyth: National Library of Wales, 1983), FHL book 942.9 D2bw., vol. 3 p. 354, 367, 376, 417, 452; vol. 4 p. 643, 647; vol. 5 p. 731; vol. 6 p. 941.

2.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 53, 87, 98*, 189*, 191, 206, 216, 217; vol. 2 p. 26*, 33, 34, 47*, 53, 56, 58*.

3.[S2411] #11915 British Genealogy (filmed 1950), Evans, Alcwyn Caryni, (Books A to H. National Library of Wales MSS 12359-12360D. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,355 and 104,390 item 2., book 1 p. 7*, 37, 46*, 86*, 155*, 156*; book 2 p. B11*, 12, 23*, 121*; book 3 p. C129; book 4 p. D62, 125; book 6 p. F10; book 8 p. H66*, 69*.

4.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 1 p. A78; book 2 p. A139, 142*; book 4 p. C579; book 6 p. D818; book 12 p. K1478; book 14 p. L1668; book 19 p. 49; book 20 p. 91*, 101*.

5.[S2410] #1105 Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913 (1910-1913), Buckley, James, (2 volumes. Carmarthen: W. Spurrell, 1910-1913), FHL book 942.98 D2b., p. 3, 6.

6.[S4923] Pedigree of the Ancient Family of Dolau Cothi, Rowland, John, (Microreproduction of original published: Carermarthen : William Spurrell, 1877. vi. 23 p. Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1982), FHL BRITISH Fiche [6024300]., p. 13*.

7.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 1 p. A78.

8.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 47.

9.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 6 p. D818.

10.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 4 p. C579.

11.[S2410] #1105 Genealogies of the Carmarthenshire Sheriffs from 1539-1913 (1910-1913), Buckley, James, (2 volumes. Carmarthen: W. Spurrell, 1910-1913), FHL book 942.98 D2b., p. 3.

12.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 56.

13.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 53, 58.

14.[S2420] #11886 The Golden Grove books of pedigrees (filmed 1970), (Manuscript, National Library of Wales manuscript number Castell Gorfod 7. Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1950), FHL microfilms 104,349-104,351., book 14 p. L1668.

15.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 87.

16.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 191.

17.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 1 p. 217.

18.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 34.

19.[S2434] #2105 Heraldic Visitations of Wales and Part of the Marches Between the Years 1586 and 1613 by Lewys Dwnn (1846), Dwnn, Lewys; transcribed and edited with notes by Sir Samuel Rush Meyrick, (2 volumes. Llandovery: William Rees, 1846), FHL book 942.9 D23d; FHL microfilm 176,668., vol. 2 p. 33.


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Ammanford, Carmarthenshire, Wales, United Kingdom
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Age 31
Bredwardine, Herefordshire, England
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Wonastow, Monmouthshire, Wales, United Kingdom