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Sir Robert FitzPayn, 1st Lord FitzPayn

Also Known As: "Fitzpayn"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Nether, Gwent, Monmouth, Wales
Death: August 22, 1315 (60-61)
Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir Robert Fitzpayn, I of Llanvair and Roberge NN
Husband of Isabella FitzPayn (de Clifford)
Father of Joan de Grey (FitzPayn); Robert Fitzpayn and Roberge FitzPayn

Occupation: Sir/Lord
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About Sir Robert, 1st Lord FitzPayn

FITZPAYN, Lord Baron Sir Robert I [actually II]

  • Born: ABT 1254 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales 1
  • Died: 22 AUG 1315 in Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England 1
   b. ABT 1254
       Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
   d. Aug 22 1315
       Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England
   m. de CLIFFORD, Isabel (Isabella)
       ABT 1254
       Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshir
       d. AFT 1319
  • Father: Robert FitzPayn, of Llanvair, Sir b: BEF 29 JUN 1225 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Mother: Roberge b: ABT 1235 in England
  • Marriage 1 Isabel (Isabella) de Clifford b: ABT 1254 in Frampton-on-Severn, Gloucestershire, England
  • Children:

1. Joan FitzPayn b: ABT 1281 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales 2. Robert 2nd Baron FitzPayn, of Llanvair, Sir b: BEF 1287 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales

Notes [JW]

BARONY OF FITZPAYN (I) 1299

SIR ROBERT FITZPAYN, of Llanvair Discoed in Nether Gwent, Okeford Fitzpaine, Chelborough, Worth, and Wraxall, Dorset, Staple Fitzpaine, Cheddon Fitzpaine, Cary Fitzpaine, and Bridghampton, Somerset, Poole Keynes and Stourton, Wilts, &c., son and heir of Sir Robert FiTZPAYN, of the same (who died shortly before 27 April 1281) (a), by Roberge, his wife. In July 1277 he proffered service---himself and three others---pro patre suo infirmo ut dicit, against Llewelyn. He was aged 26 and more, or 27, at his father's death. The King took his homage, and he had livery of his father's lands, 27 May 1281. He was with the King in the Army of Wales in 1282, at the battle of Falkirk, 22 July 1298, and in the Army of Scotland in 1300, 1303, and 1306, being at the siege of Carlaverock in July 1300, and Marshal of the King's Army citra mare Scocle in 1303. He was summoned for Military Service from 24 May 1282 to 30 June 1314, to attend the King at Salisbury, 26 January 1296/7, to attend the Coronation., 18 January 1307/8, to a Council, 8 January 1308/9, and to Parliament from 6 February 1298/9 to 24 October 1314, by writs directed Roberto filio Pagani, whereby,he is held to have become LORD FITZPAYN. As Robertus filius Pagani dominus de Launver, he took part in the Barons' Letter to the Pope, 12 February 1300 /1. He was appointed Constable of Corfe Castle, 20 March 1304/5, during pleasure.

He married Isabel, sister and coheir of Sir Richard DE CLIFFORD, and daughter of Sir John DE CLIFFORD, both of Frampton-on-Severn, co. Gloucester. In 1305 John de Maundeville granted the manor of Marshwood and the hundred of Whitchurch, Dorset, to him and Isabel his wife, and his heirs. On 12 March 1307/8 the King granted him the custody of the manors of Stogursey and Rodway, and the hundred of Cannington, Somerset, then in the King's hand. He was Constable of Winchester Castle, 16 March 1307/8 to 15 May 1314. Steward of the King's Household, 11 March 1307/8 to 14 December 1310. He was sent, with Otes de Graunson and others, on a mission to the Pope, in March 1308 /9. On 9 February 1309/10 the King granted him the manor of Norton St. Walery, Hants, for life, but on 16 September 1312 gave him, in its stead, the manor of Kingsbury and the hundred of Horethorne, &c., Somerset, also for life. He was appointed Keeper of the Forest South of Trent, 7 December 1311, during pleasure. In May 1313 he accompanied the King to France. He died 22 August 1315. On 18 October 1315 his widow had livery of the manors which she and her husband had held jointly, her fealty being respited. She was living in 13I9. [Complete Peerage V:448-451, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(a) "Robertus filius Pagani". Heir, Robert his son, aged 26 and more, or 27. The elder Robert did homage, 19 Jun 1245, and had livery of the lands of Roger fitz Payn, his father, and he again did homage, as one of the heirs of Alvred de Lincoln, 11 Jul 1264, when he had livery of the manor and advowson of Winterbourne (St. Martin), Dorset, 3 knights' fees and 1/5 and 1/2 of a knight's fee, as his purparty of the lands of the said Alvred; on 28 Jan 1277/8 he had livery of a moiety of the lands of his aunt, Aubrey, sister of the same Alvred. His father, Roger fitz Payn, died shortly before 14 Oct 1237, when (and 18 Oct) Roger's widow, Margery, had livery of her dower; she, who was living 25 Jul 1245, was sister of the said Alvred, and 1st daughter of another Alvred de Lincoln, by Maud, his wife. Roger was son and heir of Robert fitz Payn, who, with his sons, Roger and Robert, had a safe conduct, 11 Sep 1215.

Sources:Robert 1st Baron FitzPayn, of Llanvair, Sir 1 2 3

  • Born: ABT 1254 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales 1
  • Died: 22 AUG 1315 in Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England 1
  • Father: Robert FitzPayn, of Llanvair, Sir b: BEF 29 JUN 1225 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
  • Mother: Roberge b: ABT 1235 in England
  • Marriage 1 Isabel (Isabella) de Clifford b: ABT 1254 in Frampton-on-Severn, Gloucestershire, England
  • Children:

1. Joan FitzPayn b: ABT 1281 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales 2. Robert 2nd Baron FitzPayn, of Llanvair, Sir b: BEF 1287 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Father: Robert 1st Baron FITZPAYN , of Llanvair, Sir b: ABT 1254 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales Mother: Isabel (Isabella) de CLIFFORD b: ABT 1254 in Frampton-on-Severn, Gloucestershire, England Marriage 1 Unknown First WIFE b: ABT 1290

  • Married: in 1st wife

Children 1. Has No Children Robert FITZPAYN , Master of Llanvair, Sir b: ABT 1303 in Marshwood, Beaminster, Dorset, England Marriage 2 Ela de BRIENE b: ABT 1295 in Walwyn's Castle, Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales

  • Married: 29 JUN 1319 in 2nd husband 2nd wife 1

Children 1. Has Children Isabel "3rd Baroness" FITZPAYN b: BEF 1324 in Llanvair Discoed, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales //Sir Henry de Grey, Knight, b 1178, of Grays Thurrock, Essex, England, d 1219, Codnor, Derbyshire, England. He md Isolda Bardolf 1199, of Grays Thurrock, Essex, England, daughter of Sir Hugh Bardolf, Lord of Waddington, Riseholme, and Scothern, and Isabel de Condet. Children of Henry de Grey and Isolda Bardolf were:

  • Sir Richard de Grey b abt 1208. See LINE A
  • Sir John de Grey b abt 1214. See LINE B

LINE A Sir Richard de Grey b abt 1208, of Codnor, Derbyshire, England. He md Lucy de Humez abt 1230, daughter of Sir John de Humez. She was b abt 1215. Child of Richard de Grey and Lucy de Humez was:

Sir John de Grey b abt 1233, of Codnor, Derbyshire, England, d bef 5 Jan 1271/72. He md Lucy de Mohun abt 1252, daughter of Sir Reynold de Mohun and Hawise Fitz Geoffrey. Child of John de Grey and Lucy de Mohun was: Sir Henry de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1263, of Codnor, Derbyshire, Hoo and Aylsford, Kent, and Grays Thurrock, Essex, England, d Sep 1308. He md [1] Eleanor de Courtenay abt 1284, daughter of Sir Hugh de Courtenay, Knight, and Eleanor le Despenser. He md [2] Joan bef 6 Jun 1301. Child of Henry de Grey and Eleanor de Courtenay was:

Sir Richard de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1290, of Codnor, Derbyshire, England, d 10 Mar 1334/35. He md Joan Fitz Payn abt 1312, daughter of Sir Robert Fitz Payn, Lord Fitz Payn, and Isabel de Clifford. Child of Richard de Grey and Joan Fitz Payn was: Sir Robert Fitz Payn b abt 1321, d 21 May 1393. He md Elizabeth de Brian bef 16 Oct 1354, daughter of Sir Guy de Brian and Joan Carew. Child of Robert Fitz Payn and Elizabeth de Brian was:

Isabel Fitz Payn b abt 1360, d 11 Apr 1394. She md Sir Richard Poynings, Knight, abt 1375, son of Sir Michael de Poynings, Lord Poynings, and Joan. LINE B Sir John de Grey b abt 1214, of Shirland, Derbyshire, England, d 18 Mar 1264/65. He md: [1] Emma de Glanville abt 1232, daughter of Sir Geoffrey de Glanville and Margaret de la Haye. She was b abt 1217. Child of John de Grey and Emma de Glanville was:

Emma de Grey b abt 1234, of Shirland, Derbyshire, England, d 1264. She md Sir William de Huntingfield abt 1255, son of Sir Roger de Huntingfield and Joan de Hobrugge.

[2] Emma de Cauz abt 1235, daughter of Roger de Cauz and Nichole de Leigh. She was b abt 1220. Child of John de Grey and Emma de Cauz was:

Sir Reynold de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1236, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, and Wilton, Herefordshire, England, d 5 Apr 1308. He md Maud de Longchamp abt 1254, daughter of Sir Henry de Longchamp. She was b abt 1240, of Wilton, Herefordshire, England, d bef 21 Nov 1302. Child of Reynold de Grey and Maud de Longhcamp was: Sir John de Grey [a], Lord Grey, b abt 1255, of Wilton, Herefordshire, England, d 28 Oct 1323. He md: [1] Unidentified abt 1272. Child of John de Grey and unidentified first wife was: Maud de Grey b abt 1273, of Wilton, Herefordshire, England. She md Sir John de Moels, Lord Moels, abt 1288, son of Roger de Moels. [2] Maud de Verdun abt 1285, daughter of Sir John de Verdun, Lord of Westmeath, and Eleanor de Bohun. Child of John de Grey and Maud de Verdun was: Sir Roger de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1293, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, d 6 Mar 1352/53. He md Elizabeth de Hastings abt 1315, daughter of Sir John de Hastings, Lord Hastings, and Isabel de Valence. Child of Roger de Grey and Elizabeth de Hastings was:

Sir Reynold de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1330, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, d Jul/Aug 1388. He md Eleanor le Strange bef 13 Nov 1360, daughter of John le Strange and Ankaret le Botiler. Child of Reynold de Grey and Eleanor le Strange was: Sir Reynold de Grey, Lord Grey, b abt 1362, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales, d 18 Oct 1440. He md [1] Margaret de Ros abt Nov 1378, daughter of Sir Thomas de Ros, Lord Ros, Knight, and Beatrice de Stafford, and [2] Joan Asteley bef 7 Feb 1414/15. Child of Reynold de Grey and Margaret de Ros was:

Eleanor Grey b abt 1384, of Ruthin, Denbighshire, Wales. She md Sir Robert Poynings, Lord Poynings, abt 1398, son of Sir Richard Poynings, Knight, and Isabel Fitz Payn.

NOTES: a. Regarding the marriages of Sir John de Grey, The Complete Peerage states "he m. 1stly (it is said), Anne, da. of Sir William de Ferrers....", and "he m. 2ndly, Maud, who is said to have been da. of Sir Ralph Basset...", the operative words here in both cases being "it is said". Douglas Richardson's findings indicate that both marriages were taken from the 1619 Visitation of Leicester, which he found on the subject of de Grey to be quite inaccurate. He noted that the manor of Debden (in Essex) was originally a Bohun property, and that this was passed to Sir John de Grey and his wife Maud. Using papal registers and dispensations, arms quarterings, etc., he has conclusively proven that Maud (note the terminology used by CP) was indeed John's wife, but she was not a Basset, but rather a Verdun, daughter of Sir John de Verdun by his second wife, Eleanor de Bohun. He could find absolutely no evidence that Sir John de Grey ever married an Anne de Ferrers. For a complete discussion by Mr. Richardson, see his initial 15 Jan 2002 posting on soc.genealogy.medieval, entitled "Eleanor de Verdun and her daughter, Maud, wife of John de Grey of Wilton", (search words: Eleanor Verdun), and follow the thread of his subsequent informative and detailed postings. At about the same time of Mr. Richardson's discovery, John Ravilious, also a frequent poster on SGM, brought forth conclusive evidence that Sir John de Grey had an older daughter, Maud, whom he has identified from said evidence as the wife of Sir John de Moels (previously known as simply Maud). The newly-identified Maud de Grey, based on chronology, would likely be the daughter of John de Grey's first wife, who is currently unidentified, but almost certainly, as mentioned above, not Anne de Ferrers. SOURCES: CP: Vol V[463-464], Vol VI[123-125, 133-135, and chart following p 132, 171-174]; AR: Line 50[31-32], Line 143[29-30], Line 187[4]. Sir John de Grey [a], Lord Grey, b abt 1255, of Wilton, Herefordshire, England, d 28 Oct 1323. He md: [1] Unidentified abt 1272. Child of John de Grey and unidentified first wife was:

Maud de Grey b abt 1273, of Wilton, Herefordshire, England. She md Sir John de Moels, Lord Moels, abt 1288, son of Roger de Moels.


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1254
1254
Nether, Gwent, Monmouth, Wales
1287
1287
Codnor, Derbyshire, England
1295
1295
<Of, Cherlton-Grey, Somersetshire, England>
1315
August 22, 1315
Age 61
Cheddon Fitzpaine, Taunton, Somerset, England
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