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Madeleine Talmage Astor (Force)

Also Known As: "Fiermonte"
Birthdate: (46)
Birthplace: Brooklyn, New York, United States
Death: Died in Casa Invierno, Jungle Rd., Palm Beach, FL
Place of Burial: Trinity Church Cemetery, New York, NY
Immediate Family:

Daughter of William Hurlbut Force and Katherine Arvilla Talmage
Wife of John Jacob Astor, IV and Enzo Fiermonte
Ex-wife of William Karl Dick
Mother of John Jacob Astor VI; William Force DICK and John Henry DICK
Sister of Katherine Emmons Force

Occupation: Aft divorce went back to surname DICK
Managed by: Private User
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About Madeleine Talmage Astor

Madeleine Astor Dick (née Talmage-Force, formerly Fiermonte) (June 19, 1893 – March 27, 1940) was the second wife and widow of millionaire John Jacob Astor IV and a survivor of RMS Titanic.


  • Name: Mrs Madeleine Talmage Astor (née Force)
  • Born: Monday 19th June 1893
  • Age: 18 years 9 months and 27 days.
  • Married to John Jacob Astor.
  • Last Residence: in New York City New York United States
  • 1st Class passenger
  • First Embarked: Cherbourg on Wednesday 10th April 1912
  • Ticket No. 17757 , £247 10s 6d
  • Cabin No.: C62/64
  • Rescued (boat 4)
  • Disembarked Carpathia: New York City on Thursday 18th April 1912
  • Died: Wednesday 27th March 1940
  • Cause of Death: Heart Failure / Disease
  • Buried: New York City New York United States

Mrs John Jacob Astor (Madeleine Force), 18, was the wife of millionaire John Jacob Astor , they had been on an extended honeymoon in Egypt and Paris and, in the spring of 1912, decided to return to America as First Class passengers on board the brand new Titanic .

They boarded the Titanic at Cherbourg with Colonel Astor's manservant Mr Victor Robbins , Mrs Astor's maid Miss Rosalie Bidois and their pet Airedale Kitty. Also accompanying the Astors was Mrs Astor's private nurse Miss Caroline Louise Endres .

After the accident Colonel Astor left his suite to investigate, he quickly returned and reported to Madeleine that the ship had struck ice. He reassured her that the damage did not appear serious.

Later as they waited on the boat deck , Mrs Astor lent Leah Aks her shawl to keep her son Filly warm. At one point the Astors retired to the gymnasium and sat on the mechanical horses. They wore their lifebelts but Colonel Astor had found another and cut the lining with a pen knife to show his wife what it was made of. Colonel and Mrs Astor later moved down to A-Deck from where Mrs Astor boarded lifeboat 4 aided by her husband and Second Officer Charles Lightoller .

Madeleine inherited from her husband the income from a five-million-dollar trust fund and the use of his home on Fifth Avenue and in the Newport so long as she did not marry. In August 1912, she gave birth to a son with whom she was pregnant on the Titanic , and she named him after her husband, John Jacob Astor.

During World War one She married William K. Dick (and relinquished all claim to the Astor fortune) who was born in Brooklyn, New York on May 28, 1888. They had two sons, William F. and John H. Dick. Mr Dick was a prominent corporate official in companies such as St. Regis Paper Company, Best Foods, Inc., Irving Trust Company, and St. Regis Timber Company. They divorced in 1933 in Reno, Nevada. After their divorce Mr Dick married Virginia Montez Conner on December 24, 1941 and had a daughter and a son. He died at Allen Winden Farm, Islip, New York on September 5, 1953.

Madeleine went on to marry prize-fighter Enzo Fiermonte but they too divorced in 1938 and she took back the surname Dick. She died in Palm Beach, Florida in 1940 at the age of 47.

Travelling Companions (on same ticket)

  • Colonel John Jacob Astor
  • Miss Rosalie Bidois
  • Miss Caroline Louise Endres
  • Mr Victor Robbins


John Jacob Astor V was born on the 14 August 1912. He first married Ellen Tuck and had two children, William and Jacqueline. After a divorce he married Gertrude Gretch, and after they divorced, he married Sue Sandford. That marriage endured until Sue's death. John J. Astor, V died in Miami Beach, Florida on June 26, 1992 at the age of 79.

References and Sources

  • The Palm Beach Times (Florida), Obituary
  • State of Florida Certificate of Death
  • The Miami Herald (Florida), June 28 1992, Obituary of John Jacob Astor V
  • State of Florida Certificate of Death (John Jacob Astor V)
  • John P. Eaton & Charles A. Haas (1994) Titanic: Triumph & Tragedy , 2nd ed. Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 1 85260 493 X
  • Don Lynch & Ken Marschall (1992) Titanic: An Illustrated History . London, Hodder & Stoughton. ISBN 0 340 56271 4
  • Contract Ticket List , White Star Line 1912 (National Archives, New York; NRAN-21-SDNYCIVCAS-55[279])


  • Hermann Söldner, Germany
  • George Behe, USA
  • Phillip Gowan, USA
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Madeleine Talmage Astor's Timeline

June 19, 1893
Brooklyn, New York, United States
August 14, 1912
Age 19
New York, New York County, New York, United States
April 11, 1917
Age 23
New York City
May 12, 1919
Age 25
New York City
March 27, 1940
Age 46
Casa Invierno, Jungle Rd., Palm Beach, FL
Europe and Connecticut