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Margaret de Thweng, Baroness Neville

Also Known As: "Margery", "Thwonge", "de la Zouche"
Birthdate:
Birthplace: Castleton, Derbyshire, England
Death: after April 18, 1331
Place of Burial: Staindrop, County Durham, England
Immediate Family:

Daughter of Sir John Thweng and Joan Mauley
Wife of Randolph Neville, 1st Baron Neville de Raby
Sister of Edmund de Thweng

Managed by: Marilyn Jeanne Haslem
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About Margaret de Thweng, Baroness Neville

  • Margaret de Thweng1,2,3
  • F, #44980, d. after 18 April 1331
  • Father John de Thweng1,2,3
  • Margaret de Thweng married Sir Randolph de Neville, 1st Lord Neville of Raby, Constable of Warkworth Castle, son of Robert de Neville and Mary FitzRanulph, after 1320; No issue.1,2,3 Margaret de Thweng died after 18 April 1331; Buried at Staindrop, Durham.2,3
  • Family Sir Randolph de Neville, 1st Lord Neville of Raby, Constable of Warkworth Castle b. 18 Oct 1262, d. c 18 Apr 1331
  • Citations
  • 1.[S11568] The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain, and the United Kingdom, by George Edward Cokayne, Vol. IX, p. 498.
  • 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 241.
  • 3.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. IV, p. 226-227.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1497.htm#...

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  • Margery de Thweng1
  • F, #863
  • Last Edited=22 May 2004
  • Margery de Thweng is the daughter of John de Thweng.1 She married Ranulf de Neville, 1st Lord Neville, son of Robert (II) de Neville and Mary fitz Ranulf, before 1331.1
  • As a result of her marriage, Margery de Thweng was styled as Lady Neville before 1331. From before 1331, her married name became de Neville.1
  • Citations
  • 1.[S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 14. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]
  • From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p87.htm#i863

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  • Ralph De NEVILLE (1º B. Neville of Raby)
  • Born: 18 Oct 1262 / 1270, Raby Castle, Durham, England
  • Acceded: 1295
  • Died: 18 Apr 1331
  • Buried: on the south side of the altar at Coverham, England
  • Father: Robert De NEVILLE
  • Mother: Mary TAILBOYS
  • Married 1: Euphemia De CLAVERING
  • Children:
    • 1. Joan De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1283)
    • 2. Anastasia De NEVILLE
    • 3. Robert De NEVILLE of Middleham (Sir Knight)
    • 4. Ida De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1289)
    • 5. Ralph NEVILLE (2° B. Neville of Raby)
    • 6. Eupheme De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1291)
    • 7. Alice De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1293)
    • 8. Alexander De NEVILLE (Sir Knight)
    • 9. John NEVILLE (b. 1299 - d. 19 Jul 1333)
    • 10. Mary De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1301)
    • 11. William De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1303)
    • 12. Margaret De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1305)
    • 13. Thomas De NEVILLE (b. ABT 1306 - d. BEF Jun 1349)
    • 14. Avelina De NEVILLE
  • Married 2: Margery De THWENGE (dau. of John De Thwenge and Joan De Mauley)
  • From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/NEVILLE1.htm#Ralph De NEVILLE (1º B. Neville of Raby)

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  • Ralph Neville, 1st Baron Neville de Raby (18 October 1262 / 1270 – 18 April 1331) was a Norman nobleman and member of the powerful Neville family, son of Robert de Neville and Mary fitz Ranulf.[a]
  • Neville married first Euphemia de Clavering daughter of Robert de Clavering (5th Baron of Warkworth & Clavering) and Margaret La Zouche, sister of Alan la Zouche, 1st Baron la Zouche of Ashby. Ralph and Euphemia had fourteen children.[1] His second marriage was to Margery de Thwenge, daughter of John De Thwenge and Joan De Mauley[1]
  • Ralph had the following children with Euphemia de Clavering: .... etc.
  • From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Neville,_1st_Baron_Neville_de_Raby

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  • 'Thweng1'
  • TCP reports the suggestion that "the family originated in co. Durham, being related to the FitzMarmadukes, lords of Horden" and that there was a connection with the village of Thwing in the East Riding of Yorkshire.
  • Robert de Thweng of Legsby, Lincolnshire (a 1130)
    • 1. Robert FitzRobert de Thweng (a 1164, d c1190)
    • m. Emma (sister/coheir of Duncan Darel of Lund)
      • A. Sir Marmaduke de Thweng or Thwenge (b 1164, d 1235)
      • Walker (which also named his mother as an Emma), BE1883 & Commoners all identify Marmaduke's wife as Emma, sister of Duncan Darell, but we follow TCP in showing that Emma as Marmaduke's mother. TCP does not identify Marmaduke's wife.
        • i. Sir Robert de Thweng (b 1202, d 1247)
        • BE1883 & Commoners identifiy Robert's wife as the widow of Sir John de Oketon. TCP & Walker identify her as ...
        • m. Maud/Matilda de Kilton (d 06.1279, dau of Roger de Kilton, brother of William, widow of Sir Richard de Autrey)
          • a. Sir Marmaduke de Thweng of Kilton (b 1225, d c1283)
          • Walker identifies Marmaduke's wife as dau of Peter de Brus of Skelton by Helewise, dau of Peter de Merley, and sister/coheir of her brother Peter. Commoners identifies her as Lucia, sister/coheir of Peter de Brus of Skelton. As shown on Bruce01, we follow BE1883 (Lancaster) (and other sources which show the Peter who married Hilary (not Helewise) de Merley as having dsp) and TCP which shows this Lucy as ...
          • m. (c1242) Lucy Brus (b 1216, d after 1282, dau of Peter de Brus of Skelton by Hawise de Lancaster)
            • (1) Robert de Thweng of Kilton & Kirkleatham (dvp 05.1279)
            • m1. (before 12.1265) Alice de Merlay (b c1257, d before 07.02.1267/8, dau of Roger de Merlay of Morpeth)
            • p/m2. (1271) Matilda Hansard (dau of Sir Robert Hansard)
              • (A) Marmaduke de Thweng (b 1274, dvp Stirling Bridge 11.09.1297)
              • (B) William de Thweng, 2nd Lord (b 1276, dsp 25.02.1340)
              • m. Catherine de Furnivalle (d 1349, dau of Thomas de Furnivalle, 1st Lord), possibly by Joan Despenser
              • (C) Robert de Thweng, 3rd Lord (b 1277, dsp unm 22/5.04.1344, parson)
              • (D) Thomas de Thweng, 4th Lord (b 1283, dsp unm 28.05.1374, rector of Kirkleatham)
              • (E) Lucy de Thweng
              • m. Robert de Lumley (d before 20.07.1325)
              • (F) Margaret de Thweng
              • m. Robert de Hylton of Swyne, 'Lord Hilton'
              • (G) Katherine de Thweng (b 1285)
              • m. (1303) Sir Ralph Daubeney, 2nd Lord (a 1343)
              • (H) Maud de Thweng
              • Walker shows a daughter Maud as married to Sir John Hotham and mother of another John (b 1344, a 1401). This appears to be wrong. TCP identifies the Maud who married that Sir John as a daughter of the above Margaret de Thweng and Robert de Hylton.
              • (I)+ other issue - John (b 1284, d 03.01.1361, prior of Bridlington), Nicholas (b 1286)
            • (2) Marmaduke de Thweng, 1st Lord (b 09.1256, d 04.1322)
            • m. (1273) Isabel de Ros (d 1309, dau of Sir William de Ros of Ingmanthorpe)
              • (A) .... etc.
            • (3) Sir John de Thwenge (b 1261, d 02.12.1330, 4th son) mentioned by Walker
            • m. Joan de Mauley (d 13.07.1347, dau of Sir Robert de Mauley)
              • (A) Sir Edmund (or Edward) de Thwenge of Cornburgh (Corneburgh) & Southburn (d 15.10.1344)
              • (1) This man is named Edward by Commoners & BE1883, showing him as a generation earlier (SIr John not being mentioned). We are following Walker who names him Sir Edmund and shows him as son of Sir John but note an element of caution as Walker shows Margery, who married Ralph, Lord Neville, twice, both as sister and as daughter of Sir John.
              • (2) Commoners & BE1883 mention only his marriage to Alice Helmesley and Commoners confirms that she was mother of Marmaduke, William & Walter. Walker shows that he also married Isabel Constable and, in his article on 'Thwenge of Over Hemsley', shows that it was Isabel who was mother of Marmaduke, Walter, William & John. Provisionally we follow Walker rather than Commoners in showing Isabel as mother of all of the sons.
              • m1. (by 1320) Alice de Helmesley (dau/heir of Walter de Helmesley of Over Helmesey)
              • m2. Isabel Constable (d 1346, dau of Sir Robert Constable of Flamborough by Katherine Mauley)
                • (i) .... etc.
            • (4) Margaret or Margery de Thweng (b 1276)
            • m. (sp) Ralph de Nevill, 1st Lord of Raby (d 1331)
            • (5)+ other issue - Gawain (b 1259, a 1294), Edmund (b 1263, parson of Kirk Deighton), Richard (b 1267), Peter (b 1270), William (b 1273), Roger (b 1274), Hillaric (b 1258), Matilda (b 1265), Johanna (b 1271)
          • b. .... etc.
  • Main sources: TCP (Thweng), BE1883 (Thweng), Walker's Yorkshire Pedigrees (1942, Thwenge of Kilton) with some support from the section on 'Families of Thwenge and Wilmer' within Commoners (vol 2, Field of Heaton)
  • From: Stirnet.com
  • http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/tt/thweng1.php#dau2

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  • 'Nevill01'
  • Robert FitzMaldred, lord of Raby
  • m. Isabel Nevill (dau of Geoffrey de Nevill) @@ just above
    • 1. Geoffrey de Nevill of Raby
    • m. Margaret or Joan
      • A. Robert de Nevill of Raby (d 1282)
      • m. Ida (dau or relict of Robert Bertram)
        • i. Robert de Nevill (dvp)
        • m. (c1260) Mary FitzRandolph (b c1244, d 11.03.1320, dau of Ralph FitzRandolph of Middleham)
          • a. Ralph de Nevill, 1st Lord of Raby (d 18.04.1331)
          • m1. Euphemia de Clavering (dau of Robert FitzRoger de Clavering, 1st Lord)
            • (1) Robert Nevill of Middleham, 'the Peacock of the North' (dvpsp)
            • (2) Ralph Nevill, 2nd Lord of Raby (d 1367)
            • m. Alice de Audley (d 1374, dau of Sir Hugh de Audley)
              • (A) .... etc.
            • (3) Margaret Nevill
            • m. William Ros, Lord of Hamlake ???
            • (4) Anastasia Nevill
            • m. Sir Walter de Faucenberg (dvpsp Bannockburn 24.06.1314)
          • m2. Margaret de Thweng (dau of Marmaduke de Thweng)
      • B. .... etc.
  • Main source(s): BE1883 (Nevill of Westmorland) with some support from BLG1952 (Nevile of Skelbrooke formerly of Chevet) and some input for the earliest generations from TCP, as reported above, and various web sites (in particular www.whosyomama.com)
  • From: Stirnet.com
  • http://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/nn/nevill01.php#linklo

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1331
April 18, 1331
1992
November 3, 1992
1993
September 21, 1993
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Derbyshire, England
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Staindrop, County Durham, England