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Pontia de Montgommerie, héritière de La Marche

  • Daughter of Roger 'le Poitevin' de Montgommery, comte de la Marche and Almodis, comtesse de La Marche

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ROGER de Montgommery, son of ROGER [II] de Montgommery, Seigneur d'Alençon, Earl of Shropshire and Shrewsbury & his first wife Mabile d'Alençon (-1123). Orderic Vitalis names “Rodbertus de Bellismo, Hugo de Monte-Gomerici, Rogerius Pictavinus, Philippus atque Arnulfus” as the five sons of “Rogerius [de Monte-Gomerici]” and his first wife[94]. “Rogerus comes Pictavensis” founded the priory of Lancaster, for the salvation of “Rogeri Seroberie patris sui matrisque sue Mabilie cometisse”, and donated “duos mansiones Audecliua et Neutona...cum dignitate et consuetudinibus quas ipse habebat et Amfridum de Monte Gomerii” and other specified properties, by undated charter witnessed by “predictus comes et filia eius Sibilla et G. Vicecomes...”[95]. He was a considerable landowner in England especially in Lancashire but was banished in 1102 with his brother Robert and retired to Poitou[96]. Comte de la Marche, de iure uxoris. "Comite Rotgerio et eius uxore comitissa de Marchia" are named in a charter dated to [1113/24] which records an agreement with the monks of Uzerche relating to the appointment of the abbot "in Agidunensi ecclesia"[97]. Married firstly ?. No direct evidence has been found about this possible first marriage. However, Roger’s daughter Sibylle witnessed the charter which records her father’s foundation of the priory of Lancaster (see below) without any of the donor’s other known children. This suggests that she was Roger’s oldest and probably only child at the time, possibly born from an earlier marriage.] married secondly] (before 1091) ALMODIS de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche & his wife Ponce --- (-[1117/29]). The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Boso comes de Marchia" was killed "Confolento castro" in 1091 and was succeeded by "Aumodis soror sua", wife of "Rotgerio comite"[98]. "Rotgerius comes et Almodis comitissa" donated property to the abbey of Charroux by charter dated [1090/1100][99]. She succeeded as Ctss de la Marche in 1091. "Aalmodis comitissa Marchiæ et filius meus Boso" confirmed the donation of property "in parrochia Cambartensi et in parrochia Sancti Ylarii de Las Corbas et in parrochia de Trainiaco", held by "patre meo Aldeberto et…avunculo meo Oddone", by "avunculus meus Oddo comes" by charter dated 23 Mar 1112[100]. "Aldebertus comes, filius…Aalmodis comitissæ, frater Bosonis" confirmed his mother’s donation referred to above by charter dated 7 Apr 1113, witnessed by "Almodis comitissa mater Aldeberti…"[101]. "Comite Rotgerio et eius uxore comitissa de Marchia" are named in a charter dated to [1113/24] which records an agreement with the monks of Uzerche relating to the appointment of the abbot "in Agidunensi ecclesia"[102]. A charter dated to [1124/29] relating to a dispute between the abbé de Charroux and the abbesse de Fontevrault refers to a previous donation with the consent of "Almodi comitissa Charofensi ac filius eius Audeberto et Bosone"[103].

Roger & his [first] wife had one child

  • 1. SIBYLLE “Rogerus comes Pictavensis” founded the priory of Lancaster, for the salvation of “Rogeri Seroberie patris sui matrisque sue Mabilie cometisse”, and donated “duos mansiones Audecliua et Neutona...cum dignitate et consuetudinibus quas ipse habebat et Amfridum de Monte Gomerii” and other specified properties, by undated charter witnessed by “predictus comes et filia eius Sibilla et G. Vicecomes...”[104]. The presence of Sibylle as witness, without any of the donor’s other known children, suggests that she was his oldest and possibly only child at the time, maybe born from an earlier unrecorded marriage of her father.

Roger & his [second] wife ALMODIS de la Marche had four children

  • 2. AUDEBERT [III] (-before Feb 1168). "Aldebertus comes, filius…Aalmodis comitissæ, frater Bosonis" confirmed his mother’s donation referred to above by charter dated 7 Apr 1113, witnessed by "Almodis comitissa mater Aldeberti…"[105]. A charter dated to [1124/29] relating to a dispute between the abbé de Charroux and the abbesse de Fontevrault refers to a previous donation with the consent of "Almodi comitissa Charofensi ac filius eius et Bosone"[106]. The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that "Rotgerio comite" & his wife had two sons[107]. "Odo comes" donated property to Tulle, with the consent of "fratre meo Aldeberto", by charter dated to [1106][108]. Comte de la Marche. married', daughter of ?. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. 1145.

AUDEBERT [III] & his wife had three children

  • a) AUDEBERT [IV] (-Constantinople 29 Aug 1178, or 1180, or 7 Oct 1187, bur "Barbeu"). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. However, it is hinted by the Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis which records that "Gaufredus de Lesigniaco" claimed to be Audebert's heir[109]. Comte de la Marche 1145. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that he sold his properties to Henry II King of England for "quinque mille marchis argenti" and left for Jerusalem, dated to [1178] from the context[110]. Ralph de Diceto’s Abbreviationes Chronicorum record in 1178 that “Albertus comes Marchiæ” sold “suum...comitatum” to the king of England[111]. A charter dated Feb 1179 recounts disputes between the Knights Templars and the Knights Hospitallers, subscribed by "…Adelbertus, comes Marche…"[112]. Henry II King of England confirmed the abolition by "Audebertus comes Marchie" of improper customs established by him over the land of the abbey of Charroux by charter dated to [1180/89], which refers to earlier donations by "Almodis comitissa amita Audeberti" [assumed to refer to the grandmother of Comte Audebert, not an otherwise unrecorded aunt][113]. The Chronicon Bernardi Iterii records the death in 1178 of "Audebertus comes de la Marcha"[114], although this is apparently incorrectly dated if the previously quoted documents are correctly dated. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the death "Constantinopoli in Decollatione S. Joannis-Baptistæ" of "Comes de Marchia ultimus Audebertus" and his burial "in Cœnobio…Barbeu" (in 1180 from the context)[115]. One of the fragmentary chronicles of Saint-Marcial records the death "Non Oct" in 1187 of "Audebertus comes Marchie"[116]. The obituaire de Saint-Marcial records the death "III Kal Sep" of "Audebertus comes de Marchie"[117]. married (repudiated) as her first husband, MIRABLE, daughter of ?. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. 1174/77. One of the fragmentary chronicles of Saint-Marcial records the death "Non Oct" in 1187 of "Audebertus comes Marchie", stating that "iste comes" repudiated his wife and, it was said, killed her and her companion secretly[118]. She married secondly Cadelon de Pons. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records the marriage of "Chalo de Pons" and "uxorem [comitis de Marchia Aldeberti]"[119].

Audebert [IV] & his wife MIRABLE had two children

  • i) MARQUIS (-[1174/78]). "Audebertus comes Marchie" donated property after the death of "filii sui Marquisii" by charter dated to [before 1177][120]. The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "comes de Marchia Aldebertus, unici filii morte", dated to [1178] from the context[121].
  • ii) MARQUISE (-after 1187). One of the fragmentary chronicles of Saint-Marcial records the death "Non Oct" in 1187 of "Audebertus comes Marchie", and names "Marquisiam sterilem" as his only surviving child[122]. The primary source which confirms the name of her husband has not yet been identified. m (before 1172) GUILLAUME "Calvus", son of ---.
  • b) BOSON [V] (-1172 or after). The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Comte de la Marche.
  • c) MARQUISE . The Chronicon Gaufredi Vosiensis records that "Guido Vicecomes" married "Marquisia sorore Audeberti Comitis de Marchia" but died childless[123]. m GUY Vicomte de Limoges, son of ARCHAMBAUD [IV] "le Barbu" Vicomte de Comborn & his wife Humberge [Brunissent] de Limoges (-Antioch 1148).
  • 3. BOSON [IV] (-1118). "Aalmodis comitissa Marchiæ et filius meus Boso" confirmed the donation of property "in parrochia Cambartensi et in parrochia Sancti Ylarii de Las Corbas et in parrochia de Trainiaco", held by "patre meo Aldeberto et…avunculo meo Oddone", by "avunculus meus Oddo comes" by charter dated 23 Mar 1112[124]. A charter dated to [1124/29] relating to a dispute between the abbé de Charroux and the abbesse de Fontevraud refers to a previous donation with the consent of "Almodi comitissa Charofensi ac filius eius Audeberto et Bosone"[125]. Comte de la Marche. "Boso consul de la Marcha" donated property to the priory of Aureil by charter dated to [1115][126].
  • 4. EUDES [II] (-1135). "Odo comes" donated property to Tulle, with the consent of "fratre meo Aldeberto", by charter dated to [1106][127]. Comte de la Marche.
  • 5. PONTIA de la Marche . The Historia Pontificum et Comitum Engolismensis names "Pontia filia Comitis de Marcha" as wife of Comte Vulgrin [II] and mother of his successor[128]. Her descendants ultimately inherited the county of la Marche after the death of her nephew Audebert [IV]. married as his first wife, VULGRIN [II] Comte d'Angoulême, son of GUILLAUME [V] TALAFER Comte d'Angoulême & his wife Vitapoi de Bezaunes et de Benauges [Albret] (-16 Sep 1140).
  • 6. [HAWISE de Lancaster (-after 1149). The Cartulary of Darley records the donation of “Avicia de Lancastria uxor W Peverel”, undated[129]. The Complete Peerage speculates that the second wife of William Peveril was the daughter of Roger de Montgommery Lord of Lancaster and his wife Almodis Ctss de la Marche[130]. This is not an ideal fit. Her supposed father Roger was banished from England in 1102 and retired to La Marche, so it is unclear why Hawise would have been described as “de Lancastria” in a charter which must have been dated about 40 years later. In any case, the chronology is unfavourable. It is unlikely that the wife of Roger de Montgommery, Almodis de la Marche, was born much later than 1070, given the known chronology of her family, which means that her children would have been born before 1110 at the latest. On the other hand, it is likely that William Peverel’s second marriage should be dated to the early 1140s at the earliest, as his first wife is named in one of the charters of Stephen King of England (who succeeded in 1135). Such a marriage date is late if his second wife was born in the early 1100s, and impossible assuming that his widow was the same person who married Richard de Morville and had children by him in the late 1150s. According to Domesday Descendants, she married secondly Richard de Morville (no corresponding primary source cited)[131]. The primary source which confirms that the widow of William Peverel was the same person who remarried Richard de Morville has not yet been identified. Domesday Descendants states that the wife of Richard de Morville was Hawise de Lancaster, daughter of William de Lancaster (no corresponding primary source cited)[132]. As can be seen from the chronology of William de Lancaster’s known wife Gundred de Warenne, this affiliation would only be possible if Hawise had been born from an otherwise unrecorded earlier marriage. On the other hand, the onomastics are favourable for this affiliation, as each succeeding generation of this "de Lancaster" family included a Hawise de Lancaster. married [firstly] ([1140/45]%29 as his second wife, WILLIAM Peveril of Nottingham, son of WILLIAM Peveril of Nottingham & his wife Adeline --- ([1100/05]-after 1155).] [married secondly RICHARD Morville, son of HUGH de Morville & his wife Beatrice de Beauchamp (-1189).]



Sources

  • Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery, Montgomery, Thomas Harrison, (Name: Printed for Private Circulation; Location: Philadelphia; Date: 1868;), Pages 013-026; VI Roger de Montgomerie Electronic Book .PDF 170 pages a_genealogical_history_of_the_family_of_.pdf.
  • Biographical Information from Wikipedia, (Name: Wikipedia; Location: en.wikipedia.org;), Montgomerie, Roger III le Poitevin(1058-1123) Accessed KRm 14 Nov 2020 6:48am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_the_Poitevin en.wikipedia.org.
  • Biographical Information from Wikipedia, (Name: Wikipedia; Location: en.wikipedia.org;), Taillefer, Wulgrin II d'Angoulême Accessed KRM 14 Nov 2020 7:34am https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wulgrin_II,_Count_of_Angoul%C3%AAme en.wikipedia.org.
  • T H Montgomery - Pages 013-026 ; VI
  • Genealogical History of the Family of Montgomery [VI] Roger de Montgomerie
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