Princess Ingegerd Knutsdotter af Danmark, of Denmark

Ingegerd Knudsdotter of Denmark

• Daughter of Knut IV Svendssen and Adele av Flandern Svendssen

Marriage

• Married: INGEGERD of Denmark, daughter of KNUD II "den Hellige" King of Denmark & his wife Adèle de Flandre. Twin with her sister Cæcilie, they were left in Denmark when their mother fled to Flanders after their father's murder according to Saxo Grammaticus who also names her husband married FOLKE "den digre/the Fat, Brenner suggests[1] that he was the same person as FOULQUES Vicomte de Montrevrault, son of RAOUL [de Beaumont] & his wife Agathe de Vendôme. He is named "Fulko grossus, son of Ingewaldus, son of Fulko Fölbythe the pagan" in a 14th century genealogy compiled at Varnem Abbey[2]. Jarl in Sweden.

Folke & his wife INGEGERD had three children

FOLKE "den digre/the Fat", son of ---. Brenner suggests[1] that he was the same person as FOULQUES Vicomte de Montrevrault, son of RAOUL [de Beaumont] & his wife Agathe de Vendôme. He is named "Fulko grossus, son of Ingewaldus, son of Fulko Fölbythe the pagan" in a 14th century genealogy compiled at Varnem Abbey[2]. Jarl in Sweden.
m INGEGERD of Denmark, daughter of KNUD II "den Hellige" King of Denmark & his wife Adèle de Flandre. Twin with her sister Cæcilie, they were left in Denmark when their mother fled to Flanders after their father's murder according to Saxo Grammaticus who also names her husband[3].

Folke & his wife INGEGERD had three children

• 1. ARNOLD [Arnulf] (-murdered [Gradehede 23 Oct] 1157). Galbert of Bruges records that "Arnoldus nepos Karoli comitis" claimed the county of Flanders in early 1128[4]. "Arnoldum nepotem Caroli defuncti ex sorore eius primogenita" is named in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin, which specifies that he unsuccessfully claimed to succeed to the county of Flanders in 1127/28[5]. If the mother of Arnold was "soror primogenita" of Charles Count of Flanders, she would have been his sister Caecilie. Saxo Grammaticus names Caecilie's sons Knud and Karl, and Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt, without mentioning Arnold at all[6]. It is not impossible that Arnold was an impostor, unrelated to Count Charles, who appeared after the count's murder, his Danish credentials presumably being difficult to disprove in Flanders at the time. At Ulfsborg near Ribe.] m as her first husband, INGERD Pedersdatter, daughter of PEDER Thorstensen from Pedersborg & his wife Cecilie Skjalmsdatter [Hvide]. She married secondly Vagn [Vogn].
• 2. KNUT Folkason, Saxo Grammaticus names Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt[7]. Jarl in Sweden.
• 3. BENGT Folkason Snivel (-bur [Varnhem Abbey]). Saxo Grammaticus names Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt. Jarl in Sweden.

Source Project MedLands - Sweden Nobility - https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWEDISH%20NOBILITY.htm#FolkeDenDig...

Danish king during the years 1080-86

Danish king during the years 1080-86. Knut "the Holy" married Adele of Flanders, daughter of Robert I Friso Of Flanders and Princess Gertrud Av of Saxony (Adele of Flanders was born in 1060 and died in 1115.) Knut got martyred and canonized after the murder . He is regarded as Denmark's patron saint. After his death, Knud was declared saint in 1101 by Pope Urban II. Knut's earthly remains were buried in St. Knud's church in Odense the same year. Quotes from Anbytarforum regarding Adele of Flanders. You further say that you consider it to be a step forward that Adèle of Flanders seems to be removed from the discussion. ?? Since when was Adéle removed from the discussion by Flanders? And by whom? As far as I know, no new information has emerged that could re-evaluate or shed new light on her and on whether or not she is the mother of Knuts daughters Cecilia and Ingegerd. We know that Knut the Holy One is their father, but we have come to a reasonable conclusion (see above), but I do not see that either Saxo or anyone else in this context says anything definite about Adèle. Thus, after all, there is no greater reason to just reprise the old arguments. However, it can still be said that Adéle must still be considered "the main suspect" to motherhood, because she is Knut's only wife, and that he can not be belatedly had a single mistress known to the world. On the contrary, he has often been portrayed as opposed to his father, who had lots of mistresses. In addition, two of the Folkungaättens most frequent names are Karl and Magnus, thus Charlemagne = Karl the Great. Namely, the existence of first names can be used as indications of kinship speculation.

Links:

• http://www.ekdahl.org/karldenstore/1504.htm
• https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/bilder/14301_8_016_00000262_0.jpg
• https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Mobil/Artikel/14301
• http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/fs1/object/display/bsb10328...
• http://runeberg.org/faderhist/0053.html
• http://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Folkunga%C3%A4tten
• http://sok.riksarkivet.se/sbl/artikel/14301
• http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079667&tree=LEO
• http://wadbring.com/historia/sidor/aettbjalbo.htm
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_the_Fat
• https://www.brepolsonline.net/doi/abs/10.1484/M.AS-EB.5.107423#/doi...
• https://docplayer.dk/118528129-Nos-11-5.html
• *http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingeg%C3%A4rd_Knutsdotter

Sources

• The article Folkunga-ätten in Nordisk familjebok (1908).]
• a b c Gesta Danorum, book 11, in modern Danish at «Norrøne Tekster og Kvad», Norway.
• Alla vägar bär till Rom: 75 generationer från von Wachenfeldt och Uggla till By Bjarne Persson - https://books.google.com/books?id=IqoyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=...
• A Short History of Sweden, Page 29 n48 - https://archive.org/details/shorthistoryofsw008996mbp/page/n47
• King Knud "The Holy" II Svendsen of Denmark - http://www.poetelen.com/Hemsidan/SL%C4KTFORSKNINGEN/pc5a0b61d.html:...
• https://finnholbek.dk/getperson.php?personID=I14647&tree=2

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Ingegerd Knudsdotter of Denmark

• Daughter of Knut IV Svendssen and Adele av Flandern Svendssen

Marriage

• Married: INGEGERD of Denmark, daughter of KNUD II "den Hellige" King of Denmark & his wife Adèle de Flandre. Twin with her sister Cæcilie, they were left in Denmark when their mother fled to Flanders after their father's murder according to Saxo Grammaticus who also names her husband married FOLKE "den digre/the Fat, Brenner suggests[1] that he was the same person as FOULQUES Vicomte de Montrevrault, son of RAOUL [de Beaumont] & his wife Agathe de Vendôme. He is named "Fulko grossus, son of Ingewaldus, son of Fulko Fölbythe the pagan" in a 14th century genealogy compiled at Varnem Abbey[2]. Jarl in Sweden.

Folke & his wife INGEGERD had three children

FOLKE "den digre/the Fat", son of ---. Brenner suggests[1] that he was the same person as FOULQUES Vicomte de Montrevrault, son of RAOUL [de Beaumont] & his wife Agathe de Vendôme. He is named "Fulko grossus, son of Ingewaldus, son of Fulko Fölbythe the pagan" in a 14th century genealogy compiled at Varnem Abbey[2]. Jarl in Sweden.
m INGEGERD of Denmark, daughter of KNUD II "den Hellige" King of Denmark & his wife Adèle de Flandre. Twin with her sister Cæcilie, they were left in Denmark when their mother fled to Flanders after their father's murder according to Saxo Grammaticus who also names her husband[3].

Folke & his wife INGEGERD had three children

• 1. ARNOLD [Arnulf] (-murdered [Gradehede 23 Oct] 1157). Galbert of Bruges records that "Arnoldus nepos Karoli comitis" claimed the county of Flanders in early 1128[4]. "Arnoldum nepotem Caroli defuncti ex sorore eius primogenita" is named in the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin, which specifies that he unsuccessfully claimed to succeed to the county of Flanders in 1127/28[5]. If the mother of Arnold was "soror primogenita" of Charles Count of Flanders, she would have been his sister Caecilie. Saxo Grammaticus names Caecilie's sons Knud and Karl, and Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt, without mentioning Arnold at all[6]. It is not impossible that Arnold was an impostor, unrelated to Count Charles, who appeared after the count's murder, his Danish credentials presumably being difficult to disprove in Flanders at the time. At Ulfsborg near Ribe.] m as her first husband, INGERD Pedersdatter, daughter of PEDER Thorstensen from Pedersborg & his wife Cecilie Skjalmsdatter [Hvide]. She married secondly Vagn [Vogn].
• 2. KNUT Folkason, Saxo Grammaticus names Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt[7]. Jarl in Sweden.
• 3. BENGT Folkason Snivel (-bur [Varnhem Abbey]). Saxo Grammaticus names Ingegerd's sons Knud and Bengt. Jarl in Sweden.

Source Project MedLands - Sweden Nobility - https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SWEDISH%20NOBILITY.htm#FolkeDenDig...

Danish king during the years 1080-86

Danish king during the years 1080-86. Knut "the Holy" married Adele of Flanders, daughter of Robert I Friso Of Flanders and Princess Gertrud Av of Saxony (Adele of Flanders was born in 1060 and died in 1115.) Knut got martyred and canonized after the murder . He is regarded as Denmark's patron saint. After his death, Knud was declared saint in 1101 by Pope Urban II. Knut's earthly remains were buried in St. Knud's church in Odense the same year. Quotes from Anbytarforum regarding Adele of Flanders. You further say that you consider it to be a step forward that Adèle of Flanders seems to be removed from the discussion. ?? Since when was Adéle removed from the discussion by Flanders? And by whom? As far as I know, no new information has emerged that could re-evaluate or shed new light on her and on whether or not she is the mother of Knuts daughters Cecilia and Ingegerd. We know that Knut the Holy One is their father, but we have come to a reasonable conclusion (see above), but I do not see that either Saxo or anyone else in this context says anything definite about Adèle. Thus, after all, there is no greater reason to just reprise the old arguments. However, it can still be said that Adéle must still be considered "the main suspect" to motherhood, because she is Knut's only wife, and that he can not be belatedly had a single mistress known to the world. On the contrary, he has often been portrayed as opposed to his father, who had lots of mistresses. In addition, two of the Folkungaättens most frequent names are Karl and Magnus, thus Charlemagne = Karl the Great. Namely, the existence of first names can be used as indications of kinship speculation.

Links:

• http://www.ekdahl.org/karldenstore/1504.htm
• https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/bilder/14301_8_016_00000262_0.jpg
• https://sok.riksarkivet.se/Sbl/Mobil/Artikel/14301
• http://reader.digitale-sammlungen.de/en/fs1/object/display/bsb10328...
• http://runeberg.org/faderhist/0053.html
• http://www.adelsvapen.com/genealogi/Folkunga%C3%A4tten
• http://sok.riksarkivet.se/sbl/artikel/14301
• http://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079667&tree=LEO
• http://wadbring.com/historia/sidor/aettbjalbo.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingegerd_Knutsdatter
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_the_Fat
• https://www.brepolsonline.net/doi/abs/10.1484/M.AS-EB.5.107423#/doi...
• https://docplayer.dk/118528129-Nos-11-5.html

Sources

• The article Folkunga-ätten in Nordisk familjebok (1908).]
• a b c Gesta Danorum, book 11, in modern Danish at «Norrøne Tekster og Kvad», Norway.
• Alla vägar bär till Rom: 75 generationer från von Wachenfeldt och Uggla till By Bjarne Persson - https://books.google.com/books?id=IqoyDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA80&lpg=PA80&dq=...
• A Short History of Sweden, Page 29 n48 - https://archive.org/details/shorthistoryofsw008996mbp/page/n47
• King Knud "The Holy" II Svendsen of Denmark - http://www.poetelen.com/Hemsidan/SL%C4KTFORSKNINGEN/pc5a0b61d.html