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Sir John Arderne, Kt.

Also Known As: "Ardern", "Arden", "of Aldford"
Birthplace: Probably Aldford and Alvanley, Cheshire, England
Death: 1349 (44-54)
Elford, Cheshire, England
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir John Arderne, of Aldford and Margery verch Gruffydd
Husband of Margaret De Hoton; Alice de Venables and Ellen Arderne
Ex-husband of Cicely de Eton, of Stockport
Father of Sir John Arderne, Kt.; Giles Arderne; Cecily Arderne; Sir Peter Arderne, Kt.; Margaret Arderne and 8 others
Brother of Maud Arderne and Agnes Wettenhall

Occupation: Knight
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About Sir John Arderne, Kt.

John d'Arderne was married 3 times, 1st to Alice Venables, of whom they had issue, John, Peter, Margaret, 2nd Joan de Stokeport, they had no issue, 3rd Ellena Wastneys, of whom they had children, Thomas, Walkelyn, while he was married to Joan, after marriage to Ellena they had issue Katherine, Matilda and Isabella. Some listings made the mistake of adding a extra John and connecting Alice Venables as his wife, and then making them parents of John who then only had the two wife's.

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  • Miscellanea Palatina: consisting of genealogical essays illustrative of Cheshire Domesday roll, compiled from original authorities
  • VI. SIR JOHN ARDERNE of ALDFORD, ALDERLY, ALVANLEY, and ELFORD, Knight, son and heir of Sir Peter and Margery, was born 1266, and contracted as above.
  • On July 1, 1308, 1 Ed. II,2 he was appointed a Commissioner of Array for the county of Chester, with Hugh Venables, and had the leading of the levies against Bruce as far as Carlisle. In the same year he made a settlement of the manors of Aldford, Elford, and Alderley, in contracting for marriage of his eldest son and heir apparent, John, with Alice, daughter of this Hugh, Baron of Kinderton, covenanting to endow her with Alvanley. This manor was granted by him to them ; and in 1 Ed. II, Sir Hugh Venables, guardian of John, his son and heir, and Alice, wife of that John, constituted his brother William his attorney for taking seisin of Alvanley.
  • Margaret his wife, according to official records, and the direct evidences of the Cheshire Domesday Roll as cited, was daughter of Griffin, or Gruffydd ap Madog, the last Prince of Powys-Vadog, Lord of Bromfield and the Castle of Dinas Bran, near Llangollen, and a warlike ally of the Earls of Chester. His father, Madog, was the founder of Valle Crucis Abbey, and his wife, Emma, daughter of Henry Lord Audley, the founder of Hilton Abbey. For other particulars of her princely ancestors, Yorke's Royal Tribes, and Dugdale's Baronage, may be severally consulted.5 Three of her five brothers died issueless, two being said to have perished, when infants, in the Dee above Aldford. Their alleged murders were bitterly revenged by the descendant of the third, Owen Glendower.
  • The issue of this marriage were, Sir John Arderne, and Peter
  • Arderne, of Over Alderley;1 Maud, wife of John Legh, of Booths,2 and other daughters, who had settlements of land. In this generation, according to a contemporary Roll, the arms were temporarily varied to gules, crusule, or, and a chief of the second,3 instead of the three crosslets and the chief.
    • VII. JOHN ARDERNE, afterwards knighted, and son and heir of Sir John and Margaret, was a minor in, 1317, 2 Ed. II, when Prince Edward presented to Aldford Church, as in his right, and he is named as Lord of Elford in the returns of 9 Ed. II. In 1324, 17 Ed. II, he was one of the knights summoned from Staffordshire to attend the Great Council at Westminster, and in the following year was a Commissioner of Array for Cheshire. In 1327 he presented to Mobberly, in right of his ward, Ralph de Modburlegh, a military tenant of Aldford ; and as Lord of Aldford, granted that ward's marriage, in 1329, to John de Pulford.4
    • On the death of this Sir John de Arderne, the division of the
    • 1 This younger branch of Arderne is as inaccurately given in Vincent's Collections (120 Coll. Arms) as the parent line itself is, to which parent line a representation of this junior branch returned, as follows : —
    • Peter, son and heir of Peter de Arderne of Alderley, above mentioned, had a son, who died S. P., and two daughters, Christiana and Margaret. (Abstracts, Harl. MS. 2074, 136.)
    • Christiana, wife of John Fitton of Bolyn, died S. P., leaving her sister Margaret, wife of Richard de Wever, her heir. (Leycester Hist. Chesh. i, 400.)
    • Edward de Wever, grandson of Richard and ]Margaret, had issue Edward (Inquisition p.m., 13 Henry VI), whose widow Elizabeth is found by Inquisition p.m. 1 Henry VII, to have had issue Elizabeth, w. of Sir John Done, daughter and heiress. This lady was previously wife of John Stanley, from which marriage Stanley of Aklerley inherits Alderly and Wever. Her Inquisition p.m. was taken 4 Henry VII, in which year she died, and through this second marriage the Ardernes of Alvanley (as heirs of Done of Ulkinton) are co-heirs of her and of Arderne of Alderley, along with Stanley of Alderley, who descended from her first marriage. See Alvanley, Wever, and Alderley, in Hist. Chesh.
  • family into the two lines of Alvanley and Aldford followed, and the discrepancies of genealogies are as follows:---
  • The Visitation of 1566 gives to this Sir John four sons ; Walter, S. P. (an error for Walkelyn), Thomas, S. P., Sir John, third son and heir, and Charles, and is followed in Bridges's Peerage.
  • Vincent (MS. 120, Coll. Arms) divides this Sir John into two generations (8 Ed. Ill, and 40 Ed. Ill), giving to his second Sir John two wives, Jane de Stokeport, S. P., and Ellena Wastneys, with issue, by Ellena, Walkelyn, Thomas of Aldford, Sir John (as ancestor of Alvanley), and Margaret, all given as legitimate.
  • A Modern Entry in the College of Arms follows Vincent, assigning Alice Venables as wife to the first Sir John of Vincent's inaccurate arrangement.1
  • In compiling the History of Cheshire, the facts of the Alvanley line descending from Peter de Arderne, legitimate heir of Sir John and Alice Venables, and of Thomas A. of Aldford and his brother Walkelyn being illegitimate, were discovered and brought forward;2 but evidence had not been then obtained for showing Alice Venables, Jane de Stokeport, and Ellen Wastneys, to have been all successive wives of one Sir John de Arderne ; of the one, namely, now spoken of, who was son of Sir John Arderne, husband of Margaret of Bromfield.
  • This may be proved as follows :
  • By Inq. p.m., Dec. 23, 23 Ed. Ill, 1349,3 it was found that John de Arden, Chev., and Ellen his wife, held no lands in the Counties of Chester or Flint at their deaths, except for life, by fine levied in Cheshire : that after their deaths, all their lands therein reverted to Thomas, son of said Ellen, and heirs male of his body, as by said fine ; and that Peter de Arden, son of John aforesaid, is his next heir in blood, and aged upwards of twenty-four years. An endorsement before the Justiciary orders the Eschaetor to remove his hands from the lands, as Thomas was "purchasour" (acquirer) by licence.
  • In fines relating to N. Alderley, 20 Ed. Ill, and Aldford, 23 Ed. Ill, the same description is used as to Sir John Arderne, Ellen his wife, and Thomas and Walkelyn, sons of Ellen.4 She had become his wife in or before 23 Ed. Ill, when both presented jointly to the Rectory of Aldford.5
  • The three wives, and the issue of Sir John Arderne, were as follows : —
  • I. Alice, daughter of Sir Hugh Venables, of Kinderton, contracted wife in 1 Ed. II, 1307-8, as by the settlements of Alvanley beforementioned.
    • 1. John Arderne, eldest son and heir apparent by this marriage, was unavoidably, though inaccurately, transferred by Vincent to the third wife, as the second was childless, and this first was unknown to him. This John was born before 4 Ed. Ill, 1330,1 as his father then occurs as John Arderne, Senior, in a fine along with his second wife Joan, daughter of Sir Richard de Stokeport, previously wife of Sir Nicolas de Eton, and his widow in 1327.2 In an entail of N. Alderley, he occurs as " Johannes filius Johannis de Arderne Militis," followed by his younger brother " Petrus frater predicti Johannis filii Johannis."3 In 1332 he occurs again in divorce proceedings with reference to his contracted marriage with Cicely de Eton, daughter of his stepmother Joan before mentioned, both being under marriageable years, but both old enough to be described as protesting against it.4 The words of the fine of 4 Ed. Ill, imply the existence of John Arderne, Junior, within the period of Sir John's second marriage ; but he could not be issue by that wife, as in 6 Edward III he was contracted to her daughter by her first husband.
    • 2. Peter de Arderne, the ancestor of the Alvanley line, cannot be doubted to be the " Peter, brother of John, son of John," in the Alderley settlement cited ; but decisive evidence is given by the Inq. p. m. 23 Ed. Ill before mentioned, finding him son and heir of Sir John expressly, and by his own claim of Alvanley in pleas at Chester, about 28 Ed. Ill, wherein he describes himself as son and heir of John (son of Sir John Arderne) and Alice Venables his wife. As Founder of the distinct Alvanley line, he occurs hereafter.
    • 3. Margaret Arderne was contracted wife of Nicolas de Eton, son and heir apparent of her father's second wife, in 4 Edw. III. and therefore clearly not the daughter of that lady by Sir John Arderne, both of whom were living, and as clearly not of the third wife. Her Marriage Contract is given by Watson, Warren, ii, 237.
  • II. Joan de Stokeport, daughter of Sir Richard, the second wife, was wife of Sir Nicholas de Eton in 1320, and widow in 1326, and mother, by him, of Nicolas and Cecily de Stokeport, which Nicolas and Cecily were severally husband and contracted wife of Margaret and of John de Arderne before mentioned. She was wife of Sir John Arderne (as by fine) in 1330, and from tenor of other fines in which she does not occur, probably deceased in 1332, — in which last year Sir Nicolas de Eton, her son, released lands to Sir John Arderne solely, in which she had previously a joint interest.1
  • III. Ellena Wastneys, the third wife, is recognized as wife of Sir John Arderne in the Alderlegh fine of 20 Edw. Ill, and the Aldford fine 23 Edw. Ill, in the presentation to Aldford in same year, and the following Inquisition p. m., finding Thomas Arderne heir of Aldford by alienation under licence, and Peter Arderne, son and heir of the same Sir John in blood. The invariable description of Thomas, as son of Ellen, wife of Sir John, in all these documents, might prevent any confusion as to illegitimacy protected by settlements, but more decided evidence exists. Thomas Arderne presented to Aldford rectory in his own right Jan. 17, 1349,2 and of course was of age then, and was born in or before 1328, and two years after this date, as shewn by fine of 1330,3 Joan de Stokeporte, the second Lady Arderne, who was not his mother, was living.
  • The Continuation of the illegitimate line, issue of Sir John Arderne by Ellena Wastneys, ultimately the third Lady Arderne, and of the line of Stanley, which succeeded to these Ardernes at Aldford and Nether Alderley in Cheshire, and Elford in Staffordshire, will be found in the History of Cheshire, vol. iii, p. 301, and Shaw's Staffordshire, vol. i, p. 380.
  • The present discussion turns to the legitimate representatives of the family, the ARDERNES OF ALVANLEY.
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  • VIII. PETER DE ARDERNE has been proved to have been surviving son and heir of Sir John Arderne in 1349, by the direct evidence of his father's Inquisition post mortem. Eighteen years before this, in Feb. 5 Edward III, 1331, when he would be about six years old, he is named in his marriage covenant, an indenture between Mons. John de Arderne et Adam de Bredbury et Cecile sa feme et Piers le filz de dit Mons. John et Cecile sa feme. By this deed Adam de Bredbury enfeoffs William de Stokeport, Chaplain, with half his manor of Romilegh and seven parts of Bredbury, to himself and the heirs male of his body, with remainder to Piers and Cecilia, and the heirs of their bodies, with other rent-charges on Bredbury, Romilegh, and lands in Macclesfield. John de Arderne also settles a rent-charge of forty marks from his manor of Aldford on the same parties.
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  • Collections for a History of Staffordshire (1903) Volume VI. New Semes, part II.
  • An Inquisition of this year (1377), taken on the death of Thomas de Venables of Alvandelegh, gives some information respecting the parentage of Isabella, the wife of Sir Hugh. It states that Thomas had died seised of certain lands and tenements in Budworth, co. Chester, in right of his wife Aline, the daughter and heir of Robert Daa, which were held of the King in capite as Earl of Chester, by military service, and that the heirs of Aline were Robert, son of Robert de Legh, the son of Matilda, daughter of John de Arderne, Kt. Katherine, the wife of John Boidele, Kt., daughter of John de Arderne, and Isabella, the wife of Hugh de Wrottesleye, Kt., the other daughter of John de Arderne, and that Katherine and Isabella were twenty-four years of age and upwards.
  • 1 Sir Richard de Stafford was a Knight Banneret and brother of Ralph, the Earl of Stafford. He was a distinguished Knight of the period, and is frequently mentioned by Froiasart, The first witness, Sir Thomas Arderne, was brother to Isabella, the wife of Sir Hugh, and was married to a daughter of Sir Richard de Stafford.
  • Five years after this date, and when Hugh Wrottesley was nine years of age, an event occurred which materially affected his interests. Sir John Arderne, of Aldford, died in 9 Henry IV, leaving an only daughter, and under the settlement made of the Arderne estates in 21 Edward III, these should now have devolved on the issue of Robert de Legh and Hugh de Wrottesley as right heirs of Sir John Arderne and Elena, who had died in 1349.
  • The Inquisition on the death of Sir John Arderne was taken at Chester on the 18 June, 9 Henry IV (1408), on the oath of three Knights and nine Esquires of co. Chester, who stated that a certain Robert de Hampton, late Parson of the church of Alderley, and John, son of Roger de Motlowe, were formerly seised in demesne as of fee of the manors of Aldeford, Alderley, and Echeles, and of the advowsons of the churches of Aldeford and Alderley, and of an annual rent of £10 from the manor of Upton in Wyrehale, and had granted the same to John de Ardene and Elena, his wife, for their lives, with remainder to one Thomas, the son of Elena, and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to Walkeline, the brother of Thomas and the heirs male of his body, and failing such, to the right heirs of John de Ardene and Elena, and failing such, to the right heirs of John de Ardene for ever. And John de Ardene and Elena had issue lawfully begotten Matilda and Isabella, and John and Elena had died without leaving any male issue lawfully begotten, and after the death of John de Ardene and Elena, the abovenamed Thomas had entered into the said manors, advowsons and rent in virtue of the remainder, and he had issue John de Ardene, Knight; and Thomas died, seised in demesne as of fee tail of the said manors, advowsons and rent, and after his death, they descended to the said John, son of Thomas, who had entered, and had died seised of them, as of fee tail, and had left no male heir; and they stated that Robert de Legh, *
  • the son of Robert de Legh, married the said Matilda, and they had issue Robert de Legh, Kt., which Robert de Legh, Kt., had issue Robert de Legh, who was now surviving ; and Matilda had died, and Robert de Legh, son of the said Robert and Matilda, had died inde seisitus.1 And they stated also that one Hugh de Wrotteslegh, Knight, had married the above named Isabella, and they had issue one John de Wrotteslegh, and John had issue Hugh de Wrotteslegh, who was now surviving. And Hugh the elder and his wife, Isabella, had died, and John, their son, had likewise died, and therefore the right to the said manors, advowsons and rent, after the death of the said John, son of Thomas (de Ardene) should remain to the said Robert, son of Robert de Legh, Kt., as son and heir of the said Robert de Legh, Kt., son and heir of the said Matilda, daughter and one of the heirs of John de Ardene and Elena, and to the said Hugh, son and heir of the said John, son and heir of Hugh, the son and heir of the said Isabella, the other daughter and heir of John de Ardene and Elena.
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  • Ancestry of John Barber White and his descendants By Almira Larkin White *Pg.202
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  • The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215: The Barons Named in the Magna Charta, 1215 ... By Frederick Lewis Weis, William Ryland Beall Pg.170
  • 6. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford, Alvanley, Alderley and Elford, b. 1266, d. 1308; m. bef. 1299, Margery, dau. of Griffin ap Madog, Lord of Brimfield. (This marriage does not appear in Bartram.)
    • 7. SIR JOHN de ARDERNE, KNT., of Alford and Enford, d. c. 1349; m. (1) 1307/8, Alice, dau. of Hugh de Venables, Baron of Kinderton.
      • 8. PETER de ARDERNE, of Alvanley and Harden, b. 1327, d. bef. 1378/9; m. Cicely, dau. of Adam de Bradbury, and Cicely his wife.
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  • Collins's peerage of England;: genealogical, biographical, and ..., Volume 9 By Arthur Collins Pg.143
  • Sir Peter de Arderne, Knt. who, by Margaret his wife, had
    • Sir John de Arderne, Lord of Aldford, from 3 to 33 Edward I. who, by Margaret, was father of
      • A younger son, Peter, of Audley, who died 1346, and
      • Sir JOHN Arderne, Knt. son and heir, 8 Edward III. who, by Elen, daughter of William de Wasteneys, had three sons,
        • First, WALKELINE de Arderne.
        • Second, Sir John, of whom presently.
        • Third, Sir Thomas de Arderne, of Aldford, 35 Edward III. whose great grand-daughter and heiress married Thomas Stanley, second son to Stanley of Latham.
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  • Collections for a history of Staffordshire, Volume 1 By Staffordshire Record Society Pg.281
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  • History of the family of Wrottesley of Wrottesley, co. Stafford
  • Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, K.G., A.D. 1333 to A.D. 1381.
  • Sir Hugh de Wrottesley, who now succeeded to his inheritance, is shewn to be son of the last Sir William by the deeds above printed, a suit in Banco of Easter term 13 Ed. II, and another suit on the Staffordshire Assize Roll of 13 Ed. III. He was born in the early part of the year 1314, but is found to be a Knight and in full possession of his estates in January 1334.
  • Shortly after the death of Mabel ap Rees, Sir Hugh had married for a third time. His choice on this occasion was Isabella, the daughter of Sir John Arderne of Aldford, co. Chester. Sir John was lord of Elford in Staffordshire, but his principal estates lay in Cheshire, where he represented Bigod one of the great Chester feudatories of A.D. 1086, and held his lands by Barony.1 The father and mother of Isabella had both died in 1349, the year of the Great Pestilence, leaving two sons, Thomas and Walcheline, under age, and three daughters, Matilda, Katherine and Isabella. Sir John also left a son, Peter, by a former wife, but under a special settlement made with the license of the King as Prince of Wales, the whole of the Aldford fee passed to Thomas, the son of his third wife, Ellen de Bulkeley. This Thomas was born during the lifetime of the second wife, and was clearly illegitimate. He first appears on the Cheshire Plea Kolls under the name of Thomas Ellensone, but he subsequently assumed the name of Arderne, and will appear in these pages as Sir Thomas de Arderne at a later date. The daughters of Sir John Arderne were born in wedlock, and the Arderne estates had been settled by a Fine on the two sons in succession and their issue in tail male, and failing such with remainder to the daughters and their issue.2 Walcheline, the younger brother of Thomas, died leaving no issue, and the male line of Sir Thomas failed after two generations. The attempts of the descendants of the daughters to make good their claim to the Arderne inheritance under this entail will be described later on.'
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  • Sir John de Arderne1,2
  • M, d. 1349
  • Father Sir John Arderne d. c 1349
  • Mother Alice Venables
  • Sir John de Arderne was born at of Aldford, Harden, & Alvanley, Cheshire, England. He married Elena de Wasteneys, daughter of William de Wasteneys, Lord Elton and Cicely Arderne; His 3rd wife, but long-time mistress.2 Sir John de Arderne married Joan Stokeport, daughter of Sir Richard de Stokeport, Lord Stockport and Cicely. Sir John de Arderne died in 1349.
  • Family 1 Joan Stokeport b. c 1289, d. b 1332
  • Family 2 Elena de Wasteneys d. bt 13 Jul 1349 - 23 Dec 1349
  • Children
    • Isabella Arderne+
    • Walkelyn de Arderne
    • John de Arderne+ d. b 1350
    • Matilda de Arderne+
    • Sir Thomas de Arderne+2 d. c 1 Jul 1391
    • Katherine Arderne+
  • Citations
  • 1.[S3299] Unknown author, Magna Charta Sureties, 1215 by F. L. Weis, p. 94; The Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz, by Ronny O. Bodine, p. 85.
  • 2.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 23.
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Sir John de Arderne was born at ________ England. Sir John married Cicely de Eton before 1332 in Per Marriage Contract or Betrothal at Birth in England. They were divorced in 1332. He stood as MP for Staffordshire 1324.

He acquired the manors of Stockport, Poynton and Woodford in right of his wife Joan, daughter of Richard de Stockport, but granted Alderley to his younger brother Peter, Elford to his sister Margery, and Aldford to his illegitimate son, Sir Thomas de Arderne (d. 1391), permanently divorcing these properties from the main family line. Sir John's only surviving legitimate son, Peter de Arderne (1327-c.1378) married Cecily, heiress of an estate at Bredbury which later became known as Harden or Arden Hall after the family.

"The other townships mentioned at the start are all similarly intertwined feudally, but what they add to the drive of the story must wait. The exception is Alvanley. The Earls of Chester removed the Domesday Saxon holder of Alvanley, Leuric, and took the place briefly into their own hands; but by the time of King John the FitzAlans were lords of Alvanley. Philip Orreby the Elder, afterwards Justice of Chester, bought the entire vill from the FitzAlans between 1208 and 1226, and John FitzAlan confirmed the sale to him by charter. The witnesses were: Lord Hugh, Abbot of Chester; Warin de Vernon; William de Venables. Philip de Orreby, son of the above Philip, married Leuca, daughter and sole heiress of Roger de Montalt, and of his wife, Cicely, the daughter and eventual coheiress of William, Earl of Sussex. Philip had one child, a daughter, who married Walkelin de Arderne, son of Sir John de Arderne of Aldford. By this match with Orreby, the Grosvenor MSS. authenticate this connection with the Orrebies (leading through coheiresses to the blood of the Earls of Sussex and Chester, and the Dukes of Normandy. All that needs to be recorded here is that the Ardernes had always been powerful, and remained so for centuries hereafter -- and that, the IPM of Sir John de Arderne of Alford and Alvanley, record that he married 23 Edward III [1350], as second wife, Joan, or Jane, daughter and coheir of Sir Richard de Stokeport, Baron Stokeport, and widow of Sir Nicholas de Eton. She bore: 1. Sir Nicholas de Eton, who died without issue (4 Edward III [1331]); 2. Robert de Eton, living, married to Isabel (14 Edward III [1341]); 3. John de Eton (all died without issue); 4. Richard de Eton, whose only child died in infancy; 5. Cecily de Eton, who married John de Arderne but was divorced by him (he died without issue), and she married Sir Edward Warren of Poynton. All the preceding has been a prologue to Pulford."


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Sir John Arderne, Kt.'s Timeline

Probably Aldford and Alvanley, Cheshire, England
Probably Aldford and Alvanley, Cheshire, England
Drayton, Warwickshire, England
Aldford, Cheshire, England
Aldford Alvanley, Cheshire, England
Aldford, Cheshire, England
Frodsham, Cheshire, England (United Kingdom)
Aldford, Cheshire, England