Sir John Murray, Sheriff of Perthshire

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John de Moray, Knight

Birthplace: Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland
Death: Died in Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland
Immediate Family:

Son of de Moravia
Husband of de Moravia and Mary de Moravia
Father of Sir Malcolm de Moray

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About Sir John Murray, Sheriff of Perthshire

Looking for evidence that Sir. John de Moravia, Sheriff of Perthshire was the son of William de Moravia, Laird of Petty

This Sir John appears to be the unidentified father of Sir Malcolm (d before 1297), High Sheriff of Perthshire) on Stirnet's "Murray01" page.

From Stirnet's "Murray01" page: "Uncertain on the number of intervening generations."

Many references in online trees that this is so, but nothing indisputable - most reference other trees.

Victorian antiquaries considered the case that Freskin [Fresquin] was a son of William de Fresquienne, alias Freschenis, alias [Ferte] Fresne[l]*, noted in a charter of 1131 of St. George de Bocherville, without finding proof for the case However, by way of tentative proof: "The Morays were related by marriage to a Lothian family, and the point might be solved did we know the exact relationship between the Morays and the Lundons, as indicated in the "Register of Newbattle." There John de Moravia appears as son of

John of Lundon, proof that from this family there apparently sprung a race of Morays,** though probably of illegitimate birth.Why a son of Lundon should be distinguished as "of Moray" may be matter for speculation. It,however, militates against the hitherto accepted theory that all Morays descend from Freskin" [Mr D. Murray Hose, Notes On The Family Of De Moravia, Or Moray; Transactions Of The GaelicSociety Of Inverness, Volume xxv., 19O1-19O8]. The Acts of Henry II., concerning his French possesssions, are witnessed by "Johannes de Lunda, Robertus de Freschenis ." Lunda is alatinisation of Lund. Thomas de Lunda settled in Scotland before 1163. A Johannes de Lunda,temp. Edward III., was prebendary of Govan in "ecclesia Glasguensi." If an association can be made between John of Lundon [Lundon vide Lundin, later of Auchtermerny, or, a lion ramp. gu.,and Johannes de Lunda, then it would be not be improbable that John of Lundon was the father of a son who took his mother's [Freskin] name of Moray, and that Freskin was of the family of Freschenis [Freschenes] alias Ferte-Fresne or Ferte-Fresnel, and perhaps the son of WilliamFreschenis, as noted.

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Sir John Murray, Sheriff of Perthshire's Timeline

Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland
Age 30
Perth, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland
Age 35
Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland