John de Moray, Knight
|Birthplace:||Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland|
|Death:||Died in Petyn or Petty, Perthshire (now Perth and Kinross), Scotland|
|Managed by:||Adam Jonathan Brink|
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About Sir John Murray, Sheriff of Perthshire
Sir John De Moravia (born Moravia)
- Birth: 1190 - Perthshire, Scotland
- Death: 1225 - Perth, Perthshire, Scotland
- Parents: Sir William I Sutherland, Lady Margaret de Huntingdon of Scotland
- Wife: Margaret De Moravia
- Child: Sir Malcolm Murray
Sheriff of Perthshire Sir John de Moray & Mary de Gask Click to view Sheriff of Perthshire Sir John de Moray & Mary de Gask in the family tree
They had a son named Sir Malcolm.
Personal Details Male Sheriff of Perthshire Sir John de Moray Sheriff of Perthshire Sir John was born about 1195 in Duffus Castle, Morayshire, Scotland. He died about 1245 in Petty, Perthshire, Scotland.
Female Mary de Gask Mary was born about 1200 in Gask, Perthshire, Scotland. Mary is no longer alive.
Male Sir Malcolm Murray
Sir Malcolm was born about 1220 in Petty, Perthshire, Scotland. He died in 12
Looking for evidence that Sir. John de Moravia, Sheriff of Perthshire was the son of William de Moravia, Laird of Petty
This Sir John appears to be the unidentified father of Sir Malcolm (d before 1297), High Sheriff of Perthshire) on Stirnet's "Murray01" page.
From Stirnet's "Murray01" page: "Uncertain on the number of intervening generations."
Many references in online trees that this is so, but nothing indisputable - most reference other trees.
Victorian antiquaries considered the case that Freskin [Fresquin] was a son of William de Fresquienne, alias Freschenis, alias [Ferte] Fresne[l]*, noted in a charter of 1131 of St. George de Bocherville, without finding proof for the case However, by way of tentative proof: "The Morays were related by marriage to a Lothian family, and the point might be solved did we know the exact relationship between the Morays and the Lundons, as indicated in the "Register of Newbattle." There John de Moravia appears as son of
John of Lundon, proof that from this family there apparently sprung a race of Morays,** though probably of illegitimate birth.Why a son of Lundon should be distinguished as "of Moray" may be matter for speculation. It,however, militates against the hitherto accepted theory that all Morays descend from Freskin" [Mr D. Murray Hose, Notes On The Family Of De Moravia, Or Moray; Transactions Of The GaelicSociety Of Inverness, Volume xxv., 19O1-19O8]. The Acts of Henry II., concerning his French possesssions, are witnessed by "Johannes de Lunda, Robertus de Freschenis ." Lunda is alatinisation of Lund. Thomas de Lunda settled in Scotland before 1163. A Johannes de Lunda,temp. Edward III., was prebendary of Govan in "ecclesia Glasguensi." If an association can be made between John of Lundon [Lundon vide Lundin, later of Auchtermerny, or, a lion ramp. gu.,and Johannes de Lunda, then it would be not be improbable that John of Lundon was the father of a son who took his mother's [Freskin] name of Moray, and that Freskin was of the family of Freschenis [Freschenes] alias Ferte-Fresne or Ferte-Fresnel, and perhaps the son of WilliamFreschenis, as noted.