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Richard de Talbot, Knight

Birthdate:
Birthplace: Badleslane, Bedfordshire, England
Death: Died in Badleslane, Bedfordshire, England
Immediate Family:

Son of William "Le Sire" Talbot, Le Sire and Unknown wife of William Talbot
Husband of Aimée (Amicie) de Gournay
Father of Sir Hugh Talbot; Geoffrey Talbot, of Swanscombe and Editha Talbot

Occupation: Knight
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About Sir Richard Talbot

son of William Talbot, or as he signed his name Willelme Tallebot of St. Marie d'Albunville.

from Burke's Peerage (p. 897): "Richard de Talbot mentioned in Domesday Book as holding nine hides of land from Walter Giffard, Earl of Buckingham. This Richard m. the daughter of Gerard de Gournay, Baron of Yarmouth...."

in County Bedford in 1086. They had two sons, Giffard and Hugh.

(Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 470)


http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#_Toc388773407

RICHARD [I] Talbot (-after 1086). Morandière states refers to "Richard Talebot…compagnon de son voisin Grondebœuf à Hastings" when recording the marriage of his granddaughter[1198]. Domesday Book records “Richard Talbot” holding land in Battlesden, Bedfordshire from "Walter Giffard"[1199]. m ---.

Richard [I] & his wife had [two children]:

a) [--- Talbot . Baron de Cleuville. m ---. One child:]

i) [JEANNE Talbot . Morandière states that "Robert II le jeune d’Estouteville" married "avant le désastre de Tinchebray…Jehanne Talebot heritière de l’aisné des surnommés Talebot, barons de Cleuville", naming her grandfather "Richard Talebot…compagnon de son voisin Grondebœuf à Hastings" but not her father, adding that she died early leaving a son[1200]. m (before 1106) as his first wife, ROBERT [II] d’Estouteville, son of ROBERT [I] d’Estouteville & his wife Béatrice --- (-[before 1138]).]

b) [--- Talbot . The reference to “l’aisné des surnommés de Talebot” suggests that there was also a “puisné”. If that is correct, this could have been the same person as Gilbert Talbot or Geoffrey [I] Talbot, both named below.]


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RICHARD [II] Talbot ([1065/1075]-[after 1100]). His birth date is estimated bearing in mind the estimated birth date of his son Hugues [III] and on the assumption that he was somewhat older than his wife, which would have been normal at the time. If that estimate is correct, Richard [II] Talbot is unlikely to have been the same person as Richard [I] who is shown above. The chronology indicates that Richard [II] Talbot could not have been the same person as Richard [III] who is shown below. If all that is correct, Richard [II] Talbot could have been a younger brother of Geoffrey [I] who is shown above. No reference has been found to Richard [II] acting in his own capacity apart from the confirmations of his donations by King Henry II. If his birth date is correctly estimated as shown above, those confirmations must have been made some time after Richard [II] died.

m AMICIE de Gournay, daughter of [HUGUES [III] de Gournay & his wife Basilie Flaitel] or [GERARD de Gournay & his [first] wife ---] or [GERARD de Gournay & his [second] wife Edive [Edith] de Warenne] or [---] (before [1085]-). Her marriage and family connection are indicated by Orderic Vitalis who records that "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" rebelled against King Henry I after the marriage of his sister Gundred in Jun [1118], and captured “municipium...Plessicii” which he granted to "nepoti eius Hugoni Talabot"[1214]. The passage indicates that Hugh Talbot was at least a young adult at the time, so not born later than [1100], which would place his mother’s birth no later than [1085]. There are therefore at least three possibilities for her parentage. Firstly, if she was the child of Gérard de Gournay by his known wife Edive de Warenne, Edive would have been born in the early part of her estimated birth date range shown above and Amicie born soon after the marriage. Secondly, given that that chronology is tight, Amicie could have been the daughter of Gérard by an earlier otherwise unrecorded marriage. Thirdly, the word “nepos” in Orderic could indicate a more distant family relationship than nephew, maybe first cousin, in which case Amicie could have been the daughter of Hugues [III] de Gournay, although the more remote the relationship the less likely the appointment of Richard Talbot as custodian of the castle by Hugues [IV] de Gournay. On balance, the most likely case appears to be the second. Her name is indicated by two charters of King Henry II: Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations by "…Richardi Tallebot et Amicie uxoris eius et Hugonis et Willelmi filiorum suorum…", by charter dated to [1181/83][1215]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the priory of Sainte-Foi de Longueville, including donations by "Ricardi Thalebot et Avitie uxoris sue et Hugonis filii sui", by charter dated to [Mar/Jun] 1189[1216]. Richard [II] & his wife had two children:

a) HUGH [II] Talbot (before [1100]-). His parentage is indicated by Orderic Vitalis who records that "Hugo filius Girardi de Gornaco" rebelled against King Henry I after the marriage of his sister Gundred in Jun [1118], and captured “municipium...Plessicii” which he granted to "nepoti eius Hugoni Talabot"[1217]. His birth date is estimated is estimated assuming that he was a young adult at the time. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations made by "…Richardi Tallebot et Amicie uxoris eius et Hugonis et Willelmi filiorum suorum…", by charter dated to [1181/83][1218]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations made by "Hugonis Talebot…eiusdem Hugonis et Willelmi fratris sui", by charter dated to [1177/89][1219]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the priory of Sainte-Foi de Longueville, including donations made by "Ricardi Thalebot et Avitie uxoris sue et Hugonis filii sui" and by "Hugonis Talebot senis…Hugonis Talebot junioris", by charter dated to [Mar/Jun] 1189[1220].

b) WILLIAM Talbot . Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations by "…Richardi Tallebot et Amicie uxoris eius et Hugonis et Willelmi filiorum suorum…", by charter dated to [1181/83][1221]. Henry II King of England confirmed the possessions of the abbey of Valmont, including donations by "Hugonis Talebot…eiusdem Hugonis et Willelmi fratris sui", by charter dated to [1177/89][1222]. same person as...? WILLIAM Talbot (-after 1166). Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, record that "Willelmus Tallebot" held one knight’s fee from "Roberti filii Regis" in Devon[1223].



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Sir Richard Talbot's Timeline

1050
1050
Badleslane, Bedfordshire, England
1075
1075
Age 25
Shrewsbury Abby, Shopshire, England
1083
1083
Age 33
Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England
1086
1086
Age 36
Badleslane, Bedfordshire, England
1086
Age 36
1087
1087
Age 36
Of, Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England