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Thomas Rose, II

Birthdate:
Birthplace: New London, New London, Connecticut, USA
Death: Died in Preston City, New London, Connecticut, USA
Place of Burial: Preston, New London, CT, USA
Immediate Family:

Son of Thomas Rose or Roose; Thomas Rose; Joanna and Joanna //
Husband of Hannah Allyn
Father of Hannah Steery; Joanna Rose; Joseph Rose; Dorcas Bellows; Damaris Rose and 7 others
Half brother of Hannah Main (Rose)

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About Thomas Rose, II

  • ROSE, Thomas
  • b. 10 SEP 1666 Scituate, Plymouth, Mass.
  • d. 19 APR 1744 Stonington, New London, CT.
  • Parents:
  • Father: ROSE, Thomas
  • Mother: HATCH, Alice
  • Family:
  • Marriage: 16 SEP 1680 Stonington, New London, CT.
  • Spouse: ALLYN, Hannah
  • b. 1650 New London, New London, CT.
  • d. 5 JAN 1745/6 Stonington, New London, CT.
  • Parents:
  • Father: ALLYN, Robert
  • Mother: Sarah,
  • Children:
    • ROSE, Joanna
    • ROSE, Hannah
    • ROSE, Dorcas
    • ROSE, Thomas
    • ROSE, Deborah
    • ROSE, Damaris
    • ROSE, Mary
    • ROSE, Elizabeth
    • ROSE, Joseph
    • ROSE, Sarah
  • From: http://www.genealogyofnewengland.com/f_235.htm#36

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  • The New England historical and genealogical register, Volume 70 By Henry Fitz-Gilbert Waters, New England Historic Genealogical Society
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=rAcivEotaG0C&pg=PA257&lpg=PA257&dq=Jeremiah+Hatch+1626&source=bl&ots=uxBRbBqo-p&sig=y2xJDPG0ACZBR3-M9UE5mdwSwCw&hl=en&ei=DvLVTMfhBIOcsQO3vZmNCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=Jeremiah%20Hatch%201626&f=false
  • Pg.256
  • .... etc.
  • 10. THOMAS HATCH (William, Thomas, John the Younger, Thomas, Thomas, John), of Wye, co. Kent, and Scituate, Mass., born, probably about 1596, died in New England before 14 June 1646, when his widow brought her daughter Hannah to be baptized.* He married, probably about 1622 LYDIA —— . He lived for a while at Wye, where in 1626 and 1628 two of his children were baptized. .... The date of his emigration to New England is not known; but he may have come with his brother William, on his second trip to New England, in the Castle, in 1638. He settled at Scituate, and was proposed as a freeman 5 Mar. 1638/9.
  • His widow, Lydia, married secondly, abot 1654, John Spring of Watertown, Mass., but continued to live in Scituate. About her the Plymouth Colony Records, uner date of 6 Oct. 1659, have the following: "Conserning a certaine woman, viz", the wife of John Spring, of Watertowne, which was somtimes the wife of Thomas Hatch, of Scittuate, which said woman hath lived about three or foure yeares att Sicttuate from her husband, the Court have ordered, that shee either repaire to her husband with all convenient speed, or to repaire to Duxburrow to the house of Mr Alden, on the twentyeth of this p'sent month of Octobert, to give a reason why shee doth not; and incase shee shall refuse to attend this order, the Court will take a speedy course to send her to her said husband."† Evidently she satisfied the authorities as to her reasons for living apart from her husband, for in 1665 she was still living in Scituate, when, as Lydia Spring, she took oath to the statements which her son-in-law, Jonas Pickles, made to her as to his wishes regarding the disposition of his property after his death.
    • Children:
    • i. .... etc.
  • Pg.257
    • v. ALICE, bapt. at Tenterden, co. Kent, 25 Sept. 1636; emigrated with her parents to New England; m. (1) at Scituate, 23 Dec. 1657, JONAS PICKLES, who d. between 15 Dec. 1664, when he made his nuncupative will, and 27 Sept. 1665, when his mother-in-law, Lydia ( —— ) (Hatch) Spring, took oath about the satements that he had made to her as to the disposition of his property; m. (2) at Scituate, in Dec. 1665, THOMAS ROOSE. Children by first husband, b. at Scituate: 1. Jonas, b. 5 Feb. 1658/9; d young. 2. Mercy, b. 28 Dec. 1660. 3. Nathan, b. 28 Jan. 1661/2. 4 Jonas, b. 10 Mar. 1663/4. 5. Lydia, b. 10 Apr. 1665. Children by second husband, b. at Scituate: 6. Thomas, b. 10 Sept. 1666. 7. Patient, b. 31 Mar. 1668/9 [sic]. 8 Hannah, b. 23 May 1669 [sic].
    • vi. .... etc.

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Descendants of Widow Joanna (_?_) Rose


1   Joanna 1630 -

.. +[Thomas?] Rose 1630 - 1674


     ........ 2   Thomas Rose 1660 - 1743
     ............  +Hannah Allyn 1658 - 1746
     These children all named in Thomas Rose's will:
     .................. 3   Joanna Rose 1681 - 1761
     ......................  +Edward Avery 1676 - 1759
     .................. 3   Thomas Rose 1683 - 1733
     ......................  +Mary Gates 1676 - 1737
     .................. 3   Dorcas Rose 1685 -
     ......................  +Nathaniel Bellows 1676 - 1759
     .................. 3   Hannah Rose 1687 - 1724
     ......................  +Samuel Sterry 1674 - 1734
     .................. 3   Deborah Rose 1689 - 1770
     ......................  +Samuel Partridge 1687 - 1744
     .................. 3   Mary Rose 1691 -
     ......................  +Henry Pelton 1694 -
     .................. 3   Joseph Rose 1693 - 1770
     ......................  +Sarah Pelton 1693 -
     .................. 3   Damaris Rose 1695 -
     ......................  +Gates 1695 -
     .................. 3   Elizabeth Rose 1697 -
     ......................  +Killam 1697 -
     .................. 3   Sarah Rose 1699 - 1743
     ......................  +John Killam 1692 -

Thomas Rose

     Born:  Prob about 1660. Oldest known marriage or child of the children of Thomas of which I am aware was the marriage of his daughter, Joanna, to Edward Avery on June 03, 1699. This should mean he was born, at the latest, 1699 less 36 years, at 18 years per generation, or 1663. He died in 1643, which would make him 80, if born at that time. Round to about 1660. Torrey estimates 1653, Sterry Genealogy 1655.

Immigration: Unknown.

Spouse: Hannah Allyn, daughter of immigrant and neighbor, Robert Allyn of New London and Norwich, Conn. Probably by 1680, Torrey gives "Sep 16, 1680?". I don't know the source for that date. Torrey shows first child born 1681? Earliest grandkids born probably about 1705, which easily fits a 1680 marriage date.

The proof for this relationship is reported to be in Robert Allyn's will or estate papers, of September 20, 1683, where he referred to her as Hannah Rose, but I have not yet seen a transcription or copy of that will. She survived Thomas and died three years later on January 05, 1746. History of New London, Connecticut, by Frances Manwaring Caulkins, 1895


      

Occupation: Unknown, probably a farmer, possibly with livestock. He seems to have had a fairly large estate for the times, which raises the question of whether he dabbled in real estate.

Death: April 19, 1744 from the Sterry Genealogy, reported by others to be November 20, 1743, New London Co, Conn, but I have not find that date or event in the Barbour Collection. These dates may be coming from dates in his estate packet.

Estate/Will: Per Caulkins, History of Norwich, "he died in 1743, leaving an estate valued at 2,498 pounds."


     See the Will of Thomas Rose

Children: He named eight daughters (two deceased, apparently both with heirs) and two sons (one deceased, with heirs) in his will.



Thomas Rose was included in list of sketches of "others having original home-lots and all the privileges of first proprietors" in History of Norwich, Connecticut, by Frances Manwaring Caulkins, 1874.


     "Rose. Thomas Rose was an early settler in the southern part of Preston. His name acquired notoriety from the situation of his dwelling house. A large oak tree near the house was a noted boundary mark between Norwich and New London, standing as a stately warder precisely at the southeast corner of Norwich. It was directly upon the line running east from the head of Poquetannock Cove to the bounds of Stonington, and is referred to in several surveys, acts, and patents."

The History of Norwich goes on to add:


     Pg 261, "(in a description of property being added to New London)... "thence upon a direct line to an oak tree marked and standing near the dwelling house of Thomas ROSE."
     Pg 354, "Zacharia Maynard, or Mayner, purchased a farm in 1697, near Robert ALLYN and Thomas ROSE, (in Ledyard). His wife was a daughter of Robert Geer."

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Thomas Rose, II's Timeline

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Connecticut, USA
1660
1660
New London, New London, Connecticut, USA
1671
1671
Age 11
Preston, New London, Conn
1673
August 12, 1673
Age 13
Preston City, New London, Connecticut, USA
1678
1678
Age 18
Preston, New London, Conn
1681
June 3, 1681
Age 21
Preston, New London, Connecticut Colony
1681
Age 21
1682
1682
Age 22
Norwich, Ct
1683
1683
Age 23
of New London, New London, Ct