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Thomas Saye

Also Known As: "Thomas de Saye"
Birthdate:
Death: circa 1480
Immediate Family:

Son of Sir John Say, Kt. and Elizabeth Cheney, Lady Say
Husband of Joan Saye (Cheney)
Father of Elizabeth Clopton and Anne Say
Brother of Sir William Say, Kt.; Elizabeth Sampson; Lady Anne Wentworth; Mary Calthorpe; Katherine Bassingbourne and 1 other
Half brother of Elizabeth Tilney, Countess of Surrey

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About Thomas Saye

From Jorge Castillo's Tudor Place Page:

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/CHENEY.htm#Jane CHENEY1

Jane CHENEY

  • Born: ABT 1455, Liston, Essex, England
  • Father: John CHENEY (Sir Knight)
  • Mother: Elizabeth REMPSTON
  • Married: Thomas SAYE ABT 1479, Liston, Essex, England

Children:

  • 1. Elizabeth SAYE (b. 1480 - d. 1531) (m. William Copton)
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  • Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons, Under Treasurer of England1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
  • M, #48267, b. circa 1425, d. 12 April 1478
  • Father John Saye1
  • Mother Maud1
  • Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons, Under Treasurer of England was born circa 1425 at of Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England; He may have been the son of William Say, instead.1,7 He married Elizabeth Cheney, daughter of Lawrence Cheney, Esq., Sheriff of Cambridgeshire & Huntingdonshire, Escheator of Bedfordshire & Buckinghamshire and Elizabeth Cokayne, circa 11 November 1446; They had 3 sons (Sir William; Sir Thomas; & Leonard) and 4 daughters (Anne, wife of Sir Henry Wentworth; Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Sampson, Esq; Katherine, wife of Thomas Bassingbourne; & Mary, wife of Sir Philip Calthorpe).2,3,4,6,7,9,10 Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons, Under Treasurer of England married Agnes Danvers, daughter of Sir John Danvers and Alice Verney, before 9 October 1474; They had no issue.11,7 Sir John Saye, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Speaker of the House of Commons, Under Treasurer of England died on 12 April 1478; Buried at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.1,11,7 His estate was probated in October 1478.7
  • Family 1 Elizabeth Cheney b. c 1422, d. 25 Sep 1473
  • Children
    • Sir William Say, Sheriff of Somerset, Dorset, Essex, & Hertfordshire, Burgess of Plympton, Justice of the Peace for Hertfordshrie+3,9 b. c 1452, d. 4 Dec 1529
    • Anne Saye+1,2,12,5,6,7,8 b. c 1453, d. bt 25 Feb 1484 - 22 Oct 1494
    • Elizabeth Say+13,2,7 b. c 1455, d. a 25 Feb 1484
    • Mary Saye+11 b. c 1465, d. b 1504
  • Family 2 Agnes Danvers b. c 1408
  • Citations
  • 1.[S11575] The Lineage and Ancestry of H.R.H. Prince Charles, Prince of Wales, by Gerald Paget, Vol. I, p. 92.
  • 2.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 206-207.
  • 3.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 740-741.
  • 4.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 444.
  • 5.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 110.
  • 6.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 237-238.
  • 7.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 129-130.
  • 8.[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. IV, p. 389.
  • 9.[S6] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry: 2nd Edition, Vol. III, p. 418-419.
  • 10.[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 162.
  • 11.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 207.
  • 12.[S5] Douglas Richardson, Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 381.
  • 13.[S61] Unknown author, Family Group Sheets, Family History Archives, SLC.
  • From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1606.htm#i48267
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  • The Antiquary, Volume 32 edited by Edward Walford, John Charles Cox, George Latimer Apperson
  • https://archive.org/details/antiquary32slsniala
  • https://archive.org/stream/antiquary32slsniala#page/223/mode/1up
  • Pg. 223 CHART
  • Joan dau. of Alice (Stawell) & John Cheney (son of Elizabeth Hill & John (s. of Sir Wm.) Cheney), m1. Thomas Say, of Liston, Essex, brother of Sir Wm. Say, parents of William (d. Aug. 1, 1508), Anne (b.1488, m. Rt. Hussey of Sleaford (d.May 28, 1538), Elizabeth (b.1490, m. Wm. Clopton, of Liston (d.1537)) Say; m2. Sir Gyllan de la Ryvere, parents of Elizabeth (d. before 1529 m. John Ellis) de la Ryvere.
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  • A genealogical and heraldic history of the commoners of Great Britain and Ireland, enjoying territorial possessions or high official rank; but univested with heritable honours (1835) Vol. III
  • https://archive.org/details/genealogicalhera03burk
  • https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalhera03burk#page/105/mode/1up
  • Pg.105
    • Massingberd, of Gunby.
    • 4. John, who m, Dorothy, relict of Ralph Quadring, esq. and eldest daughter of Sir Robert Hussey, knt. of Linwood, by Margaret his wife, daughter and co-heir of Sir Thomas Say, knt. of Liston, in Essex, and d. in 1580, leaving, with two daughters, Edith, m. first, to Mr. Baker, and secondly, to Mr. Nicholls, and Ann, the wife of John Booth, of Kyme, a son, Augustin, who resided at Sutterton, and d. s. p. in 1614.
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  • The Visitations of Essex by Hawley, 1552; Hervey, 1558; Cooke, 1570 ..., Part 1 By Thomas Hawley, William Harvey, Robert Cooke, John Raven (Richmond herald.), George Owen, Henry Lilly, William Berry
  • http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&q=say#v=snippet&q=saye&f=false
  • Pg.179
    • Clopton.
  • William Clopton 2d sonne and of Lyston (Liston) Hall in com. Essex in right of his wyfe. (son of Thomasine Knyvett & Sr William Clopton) m. Elizabeth dau. and co-heire to Thomas Saye of Lyston h. in com. Essex ar. 2nd brother to Sr Will'm Saye of Hoddesdon in com. Hartford Knight. parents of William (m. Elizabeth Everard), Frauncis (m. 4 times no issue) Clopton.
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  • Dictionary of national biography (1885) Vol. 50
  • https://archive.org/details/dictionaryofnati50stepuoft
  • https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati50stepuoft#page/387/mode/1up
  • Pg.387
  • SAY, SIR JOHN (d.1478) ....
  • https://archive.org/stream/dictionaryofnati50stepuoft#page/388/mode/1up
  • Pg.388
  • He married, first, Elizabeth, daughter of Lawrence Cheyney of Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, who died in 1473, and by whom he had a son, William, who succeeded him, and perhaps two other sons, Leonard, and Thomas who married Joan, daughter of John Cheyney of Liston, Essex ; and, secondly, Agnes, daughter of John Danvers of Cothorpe, Oxfordshire, and widow, it is said, of John, lord Wenlock (d. 1471) (CUSSANS), and of Sir John Fray (d. 1461), chief baron of the exchequer. His eldest son, Sir William Say (d. 1529), married, first, Genevese, daughter of John Hill, and, secondly, Elizabeth, daughter and coheir of Sir John Fray, his stepmother's husband, and widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave, by whom he had two daughters, Elizabeth, who married William Blount, fourth lord Mountjoy [q. v.] ; and Mary, who married Henry Bourchier, second earl of Essex [q. v.] Sir William and his two wives are buried in Broxbourne church.
  • Alternate link - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Say,_John_(DNB00)
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