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.... Tornikes (Komnene)

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Death: after 1201
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Daughter of Manuel I Komnenos, byzantine emperor and other lovers
Wife of Konstantinos Tornikes
Mother of Demetrios Tornikes, Komnenos
Sister of NN Daughter Komnenos
Half sister of sebastokrator Alexios Komnenos; Alexios Komnenos, pinkernes; Maria Komnena; Anna Komnena and Alexios II Komnenos, byzantine emperor

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 Emperor Manuel I had [one] illegitimate child by Mistress (2):

*http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BYZANTIUM%2010571204.htm#KomneneMKo...

5. [--- Komnene (-after 1201). Her supposed origin is deduced from a single primary source as follows. The eulogy written by Euthymios Tornikes for his father Demetrios, dated 1201, refers to "λογοθέτου γηνη… σου νυμφη" ("the wife of the logothetes, his daughter-in-law") and adds that the lady in question was "η εχ της πρώτης χαι Βασιλιχης των Κομνηνων χρυσέας σειρας η ανδρεια χαι σωφρων" ("descended from the first and imperial series of gold of the Komnenos, brave and wise")[447]. It is highly probable that the text refers to the wife of Konstantinos Tornikes, who is referred to as "dromi logothetam Constantinum Tornicem" by Niketas Choniates (see above)[448]. Varzos interprets the phrase "imperial series of gold of the Komnenos" as meaning that the wife of Konstantinos Tornikes was "one who emanated from Emperors Alexios, Ioannes and Manuel Komnenos", in other words from the direct line of the three Komnenos emperors[449]. If this interpretation is correct, descent from any one or two of these emperors would not constitute a "series", nor would descent from Emperor Andronikos I who counted only Emperor Alexios among his direct ancestors. This would necessarily mean that the lady in question was the daughter or granddaughter (the chronology would support either case) of Emperor Manuel I, evidently illegitimate if she was his daughter. However, it is not known whether such a poetic turn of phrase in this type of eulogy should be interpreted so literally. It should also be noted that Varzos’s interpretation does not appear to consign a meaning to the word "πρώτης" ("first").

m KONSTANTINOS Tornikes, son of DEMETRIOS Tornikes & his wife --- Malakissa (-killed in Bulgaria [1205/06]).]