Unnamed Daughter

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Unnamed Daughter

Death: after July 08, 879
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Daughter of Ernst I, count in Nordgau and N.N.
Wife of Carloman, king of Bavaria
Sister of Ernst II, count of Bavaria

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Unnamed daughter of Ernst I.


b) daughter (-after 8 Jul 879). Her parentage and marriage are deduced from the Annales Bertiniani naming "socerum Karlomanni…Arnustum" when recording that Ludwig II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks deprived him of his honours in 861 at the time of his son's rebellion[83]. Jackman suggests that Liutswindis, concubine of King Karloman and mother of Emperor Arnulf, is co-identified with this unnamed daughter of dux Ernst[84]. He bases this on the assumption that King Karloman's childless wife must have predeceased the king, after which he married Liutswindis by whom he had already had his son Arnulf. However, this appears to ignore the curiously worded charter under which "Karlomannus…rex" confirmed immunities to San Salvatore in Brescia "pro nobis coniuge et prole misericordiam dei iugiter exhorare" by charter dated 8 Jul 879[85], the wording of which suggests that at that date he was married but still childless by that marriage. There would have been sufficient time after mid-879, before Karloman's death the following year, for his first wife to have died and for him to have remarried. However, if this was the case it is surprising that contemporary records do not mention the fact. In any case, it would probably have depended on the extent of the paralysis which afflicted King Karloman from 879. It is of course not impossible that "socerum" in the Annales Bertiniani was used to describe the informal relationship between King Karloman and his concubine's father, and that the Annales do not refer to the king's legitimate wife at all. If this is correct, this daughter's name would have been Liutswindis.

m (before 861) KARLOMAN, son of LUDWIG II "der Deutsche" King of the East Franks & his wife Emma [Welf] ([830]-Altötting, Bavaria 12 Mar or 29 Sep 880). He succeeded his father in 876 as KARLOMAN King of the East Franks.

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