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Testing for Fake Medieval and Ancient Lines

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  • Dagobert I, King of the Franks (603 - 639)
    DAGOBERT, son of CLOTAIRE II King of the Franks & his second wife Beretrudis [Bertrada or Berthe] ([610/11-Saint-Denis 19 Jan 639, bur église abbatiale de Saint-Denis). The Gesta Dagoberti names "Dagob...
  • Ramesses II 'The Great', Pharaoh of Egypt (c.-1304 - c.-1212)
    Ramesses II (c. 1303 BC – July or August 1213 BC; Egyptian: *Riʻmīsisu, alternatively transcribed as Rameses /ˈræməsiːz/ and Ramses /ˈræmsiːz/ or /ˈræmziːz/), referred to as Ramesses the Great, was the...
  • Widukind (c.735 - 807)
    Widukind or Wittekind ( 743 - 807 ) was the rumor leader of the Saxons, and the first jointly named Hartog of the Hartogdom Saksen .Hee was Kearl den den all Saaksen bi-j mekare received um as to fall ...
  • Attila the Hun, "Scourge of God", King of the Huns (c.395 - 453)
    Attila ( fl. c. 406–453), frequently called Attila the Hun , was the ruler of the Huns from 434 until his death in March 453. He was also the leader of a tribal empire consisting of Huns, Ostrogoth...
  • Alaric the Goth, King of the Visigoths (c.370 - 410)
    Alaric Article from the 1911 EncyclopediaALARIC (Ala-reiks, "All-ruler"), (c. 370-410), Gothic conqueror, the first Teutonic leader who stood as a conqueror in the city of Rome, was probably born about...

This project will help users diagnose fake medieval and ancient lines on Geni.

Instructions

  1. Click on the profile. Geni will display the profile in Profile View. At the top you will see a relationship path from you to that profile. You might need to click the button labeled "How Are You Related?" to calculate the relationship. If the profile is not connected to the World Family Tree you will see “No Path Found.”
  2. Compare your results to the ideal results, below.
  3. If you find a path that shouldn’t exist, you have an opportunity to do further research to locate the problem but you are not required to that.
  4. If you choose to look further, begin with yourself and follow your line up through the path you found. You should look for any evidence of a connection that is wrong. You may reach a point where you don’t have the experience to continue looking.
  5. If you find a problem you feel qualified to solve, we invite you to do it. You should cite primary sources and quality secondary sources for each change you make. Internet web pages are not acceptable evidence.
  6. If you find a problem you don’t know how to solve, you are welcome to start a project discussion (link). Other users might be able to help. Please remember, though, some of these problems have been around for many years. The Geni community might not be able resolve every problem quickly.

No path found

You should have no path found to the following people. That is, you should not be a descendant and there should be no relationship path. If you do find a relationship, there is a problem somewhere in the tree.

No descents

You should not be a descendant of these people, but you might have a relationship path to them. That is, you might have one or more connections to this person through marriages in your ancestry. These people probably have descendants living today, but none of their descendants are traceable to modern times.

Note: The path you find might not be accurate. If you are interested in a path you will need to research each link.

Shortcuts to finding problems

There are some general rules of modern genealogy that can help you zero in on problem areas.

  1. There are no proven descents from Western Europe before about the 6th century.
  2. There are no proven descents from Western Europe to Persia and the Middle East.
  3. There are no proven descents from Western Europe to the Muslims in Spain.
  4. There are no proven descents from Western Europe to Muhammad (PBUH)
  5. There are no proven descents from the Merovingians.
  6. There are no proven descents from the Caesars.
  7. There are no proven descents from Cleopatra.
  8. There are no proven descents from King David.
  9. There are no proven descents from the Pharaohs.

Other ways to help

  1. Follow this project and read the discussions. You might be able to help someone who is struggling.
  2. Suggest other profiles to be included here. The ideal profiles should (a) be famous or semi-famous people, (b) who are often falsely claimed as ancestors, (c) but who have no known descendants alive today.
  3. Suggest other shortcut rules that will help other users identify problem areas.

Resources

Geni's Descents from Antiquity project, the Fictional Genealogy project, and their related projects can help you understand why fictional lines developed throughout history and why it is so important today to look at old stories with a critical eye.

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