Duncan McAusland - Disputed parentage of Duncan McAusland and disputed descent from William the Conqueror

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I have seen no evidence that Duncan McAusland was the son of Humphrey McAusland from Ireland or that he was descended from William the Conqueror.

The current evidence suggests that Duncan was a younger son of the McAuslands of Inverlauren, and that they were related to the McAuslands of Prestalloch and of Stockidow. Duncan moved from Inverlauren to Blairnyle, then to Auchintilloch Natra, all in the parish of Luss. The family later settled in Greenock in Renfrewshire.

According to an old book from 1891 written by Donald MacLeod, the farms of Prestalloch, Stockidow and Innerlaurin were once owned by three brothers named Peter, James and Humphrey McAuslane .(Historic Families, Notable People, and Memorabilia of the Lennox, by Donald MacLeod, A. Lawrance, Dunbarton, 1891, p234.)

In his 1894 book, Past Worthies of the Lennox, Donald MacLeod mentions a character known as “Baron” Sandy McAusland and it is possible that the information above may have come from him.

MacLeod also mentions in his 1891 book that “The great grandmother of the brothers named (i.e. the Rev Dr Alex. McAuslane, Rev John McAuslane and Wn T. McAuslane LLD), who in her day was celebrated for her beauty, was a daughter of Stewart of Ballachullish, while her uncle, Colonel Charles Stewart of Ardshiel, led the clan in the different battles fought on behalf of Prince Charles Edward Stewart.”

The family tree of the McAuslands has been traced from Alexander Stewart, 4th of Ballachulish, via his daughter Isabelle, the great beauty mentioned in Donald MacLeod’s book, to her great grandsons, Alexander, John and William McAusland.

Lt.-Col. Charles Stewart of Ardshiel who led the Stewart of Appin regiment was actually Isabella’s step-uncle, being the brother of her father’s second wife, Anna Stewart.

Lt.-Col. Charles Stewart of Ardshiel’s younger brother was James Stewart of the Glen who is believed to have been a Captain in the Appin regiment during the ’45. He was arrested and executed on 08 November 1752 as an alleged accessory in the Appin Murder of “The Red Fox”, Colin Roy Campbell of Glenure on 14 May 1752. The Appin Murder features in Robert Louis Stevenson‘s 1886 novel Kidnapped.

What of the statement that “This great grandmother was a niece of the then Marchioness of Breadalbane“? This is more difficult to confirm. John Campbell, 1st Marquis of Breadalbane (30 March 1762 – 29 March 1834) married Mary Gavin, daughter of David Gavin in 1793. Isabella Stewart was born circa 1710 so could not have been the niece of the Marchioness.

If we go back to the great great grandfather of the first Marquis of Breadalbane, Robert Campbell ninth of Glenorchy, we find that his daughter Jean married Duncan Stewart, seventh of Appin. Could she be the Breadablane-Appin connection? Interestingly she was married three times and was the mother of Robert Campbell of Glenlyon – commander at the Massacre of Glencoe – and niece-in-law of Alasdair MacGregor. 11th Chief of Clan Gregor, who lead the clan at the battle of Glen Fruin which took place in the McAusland homeland.

Robert Hall McAslane (later McCasland) was born on 30 November 1822 in Barony, Glasgow, the second child of John McAslane of Newlandmuir and Ann Hall. On 10 February 1863, he received a Grant of Arms as Robert McCasland of Newlandmuir. The document included details of his ancestry, stating that he was:

“Eldest son of John McCausland Esquire of Newlandmuir aforesaid by Anne, his wife, daughter of the later Robert Hall, Merchant in Glasgow, by Bethia his wife, daughter of James Steele Esquire of Inchnauch in the Parish of New Monkland and County of Lanark;

“which John was youngest son of Robert McCausland, sheep farmer in Westrtoun of Ardincaple by Jean his Wife, daughter of Aulay McAulay, Sheep Farmer in Blairnerne, both in the Parish of Row in the County of Dunbarton;

“which Robert was youngest son of Robert McCausland, Sheep Farmer in Stukkidow and Auchingach in the last mentioned Parish and County by Elizabeth Erskine his Wife of that place as evidenced by a Drawing of Tombstones in Row Churchyard, Dunbartonshire produced with the said Patentee’s petition.

“That it was said the Ancestors of the last mentioned Robert McCausland had been in Stukkidow from a very remote period and extending over nine generations as extracted from an old M.S. Book written by the Petitioner’s Father in and previous to the year Eighteen hundred and thirty four.

The McAusland Barons were mentioned in a document of 1395 when John McAuslane of Caldenocht witnessed a charter where Humphrey Colquhoun of Luss granted his brother Robert the lands of Camstradden. (Colquhoun of Luss charters). The fact that John McAusland was described as “of Caldenocht” is crucial as “of” a property implies having possession of a charter to that property, as opposed to simply just living there.

The McAuslands were feudal superiors not just of Caldenocht (also known as Coldenocht, Caldenoth, Caldanacht, Caldenache, Caldonah, Callenach, Calanach, and Cùlanach) but also of Prestellach, Innerquhonlanes and Craigfad as detailed in a 1664 Sasine of £8 land of Caldenoch, Prestellach, Innerquhonlanes and Craigfad, in Dunbartonshire, to Alexander McCauslane as eldest lawful son and heir of the late John McCauslane of Caldenoch, on a precept of clare constat by Sir John Colquhoun of Luss, 20 May 1664. (Campbell: Abstract of Argyll Sasines).

The McAusand ownership of these lands came to an end some time between 1694 and 1718 when Janet McAusland, daughter of Alexander McAusland, last Baron of Caldenoch, Prestilloch, Innerquhonlanes & Craigfad, sold the lands to Sir Humphrey Colquhoun of Luss (1688-1718).

On p31 of Mormon Convert, Mormon Defector: A Scottish Immigrant in the American West, 1848–1861 by Polly Aird it is stated that Peter McAuslan, whose grandfather was the last tenant of Stockidow, believed that his grandfather or great grandfather was a son of the last Baron McAusland, who lost his lands to the Colquhouns of Luss.

Hi,

The Humphrey McAusland that is Duncan's father came from a tree for Private at FamilyTreeDNA.com . I copied this tree verbatim because I have about an 8th cousin relationship with Alice, and wanted to see how we might be related.

This DNA overlap is specific to a Northern Ireland Ewing ancestor of mine. This chunk of DNA is also shared by a Northern Ireland Laughlin, and is also shared by Laughlins in the US who are descended from a Northern Ireland Laughlin ancestor.

I therefore concluded that my Ewing ancestor was descended from a Laughlin. Since the Northern Ireland tree for the Laughlin line of the US matches was well developed, I concluded that Alice must be somehow descended from those Laughlins. Looking carefully her tree, I found that the most likely point of connection was as an ancestor of her McAusland line. But for this to be the case, and have the right amount of overlap, the "Humphrey McAusland" (or whatever his name was) that came from her FamilyTreeDNA tree would have to have married into the Laughlins himself. (It is possible that the relationship is a generation further back than that, but no more than that.)

The reason I chose the McAuslands as the point of connection was because it was clear that this family was well established in Northern Ireland at that time. A connection therefore seemed plausible.

If you have an alternate connection to Northern Ireland McLaughlins, please let me know. Back that far, everything is fluid, because new information comes along all the time.

Karl

The data aded was mostly mostly copied from my own research but also includes serious errors that were introduced by random merges on Family Search resulting in tree that is clearly nonsense.
The McAusland family would all be very grateful if you could correct the errors and remove the connection to royalty for which there is clearly no evidence
whatsoever.

The DNA evidence attached has no connection whatsoever to this line and should also be removed.
Thank you.
Dr Iain G. Old

There is no evidence whatsoever that our McAusland line has any connection to Northern Ireland. You are confusing our line with a completely different branch.

Let's see. Are you related to Lindsay Ann Old? Alice May McAusland? I bet you are, because they are seemingly sisters.

Both of them have DNA samples at FamilyTreeDNA. Along with those samples both of them provided a tree. The trees they provided were identical.

If I copied them wrong, please point out where. As for "random merges", I've done no such thing. I've merged what you entered with what I entered, and where the differed, I believe I took your data, not your mother's.

I am still very puzzled as to the claim that there is no connection with your line to anything in Northern Ireland. If that is the case, how in the hell can we be related through my Northern Ireland ancestors, provably? We are, and that's a fact. I am open to any other link you may find, but that's where we stand.

Your mother and her sister are both also related to persons in the US who are descended from McLaughlins of Northern Ireland. They share DNA overlaps with me that make this clear. If you want pictorial proof I can provide this if you give me time and a place to send it. "There is no evidence whatsoever" is not true - there's plenty of evidence, but so far you're unwilling to hear it.

Dr. Old, I'd also further like to point out that GENi is a *collaborative* genealogy site. That means people work TOGETHER. The profiles you are complaining about existed before you started working in GENI at all. So imagine *my* position, where I enter this information in good faith, and then someone comes along and starts making all sorts of claims and accusations as to *motive* and makes demands for removal of what are public profiles that have been on this site for years? I would not call that collaborative. That sounds abusive to me, sorry. Making aspersions to my character and motive on my own wall I regard as extremely antisocial behavior, and I will be forced to escalate matters should you proceed in this kind of abuse.

Re: Your requests.

I am not in a position to make the tree in GENI look like what you think it should look like without some detailed information from you. You must point out what is wrong and where it is wrong - PRECISELY - and then I am happy to work to correct it. Who has incorrect parents? Please provide profile links for these and I will disconnect the parents that are there. If a profile has incorrect dates or locations, you can correct that yourself easier than I can - these profiles are all public. I will be happy to assist you in this, but you need to stop trying to abuse me and try to cooperate instead. Thanks.

These are my notes pertaining to Lynsay Ann Old and Alice May McAusland:

70%-90% Chromosome 11 is Ewing again. [father's side]
Group: 97905838 - 131339037
Denis McLaughlin 108634794 - 126070691 (7th cousin? From Northern Ireland) https://www.geni.com/path/Karl-Wright+is+related+to+Denis-McLaughli...
Wendy Rohedder 108959994-126459999 https://www.geni.com/path/Karl-Wright+is+related+to+Wendy-Rohedder?...
Alice May McAusland 108044814 - 117471310 8th-9th? https://www.geni.com/path/Karl-Wright+is+related+to+Alice?from=6000...
Lynsay Ann Old 108634794 - 117471310 (daughter or sister of Alice May)
Matthew Dishman 116340960-131339037
Jeffery Trimble 108959994-126459999
Bob Griffith 97905838-108991573, Philadelphia Ewing

As you can see, I have known Northern Ireland Ewing relatives that overlap the same chunk of DNA as a Northern Ireland McLaughlin and your family. The distance of these matches is related to the size of the match, but clearly the size of the match to your family is in the same ballpark as my match with the Northern Ireland McLaughlin. That means that the common ancestor for all of these matches and for myself is about the same distance back, generationally. Furthermore, the overlap of 10cM is consistent with 7th-8th cousin.

Those are facts.

There are, of course, non McLaughlin ways of meeting these facts, but not ways that don't go through northern Ireland.

Sorry, that should have read "10 million cM".

For now, since it looks like your sole objection here is that you wish to singly manage the parents of Duncan McAusland, I have disconnected the parents I put into place back in April, and left Duncan with the profiles you added for him, which have the same names. If you have any other complaints please be detailed and air them.

As far as I'm concerned, though, the matter is not settled. If you can prove you have no ancestor that went anywhere near Northern Ireland back to 1650 or so, then in order to meet the DNA constraints, you *must* have had a great uncle or aunt who went there. This would have had to take place back around the late 1600s or early 1700s. The simplest explanation for the DNA pattern seen is that the common ancestor is a McLaughlin, but the common ancestor could be a McAusland, or another of your ancestral families, although that would also imply a McAusland ancestor for the US McLaughlins I am related to. That may be a challenge given the fact that the northern Ireland McLaughlin tree is pretty complete and there seems to be no obvious overlap with family names you have.

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