Sir Henry de Drayton (de Vere) - Henry and Richard

Started by Nathan Ross Weaver on Wednesday, August 4, 2021
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8/4/2021 at 2:19 AM

Where is the proof of Richard de Wever being the son of Henry de Drayton? Richard's father was named Henry, but the only occupation detailed was Forester of Mondrum. Just ensuring that there is evidence so I can link this profile to the weaver family tree (descendants of Richard de Wever).

8/4/2021 at 12:03 PM

Richard's surname is listed as de Vere...where are you seeing Wever?

8/4/2021 at 9:09 PM

His surname may be listed as de Vere, but he is clearly meant to be Richard de Wever. He is listed as forester of Mondrum, a possession exclusively held by those who share the namesake of three families, of which Vere is not included (Wever is) and the source they use on Henry de Drayton
[de Vere]'s profile (https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=7kEjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA113&l...) states both Richard and Henry's surnames as de Wever. The wikitree page that they seem to have gotten this information from lists descendants of Richard de Wever under Richard de Vere's profile (https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Weever-7)

Of the many sources I have found and all of the sources they have credited, at least that I am aware of, Richard is never given the surname de Vere: all of them have his surname written as de Wever. This also goes for his father: the forester of Mondrum who was fined 5 pounds by Reginald de Gray, is written down as Henry, not de Drayton, nor de Vere: de Wever.

I am yet to find any proof that Sir Henry de Drayton and Henry de Wever, Forester of Mondrum are the same person.

8/4/2021 at 9:38 PM

To correct myself there were four families: Kingsley, Grosvernor, Wever, and Merton. (Just a side note.)

8/4/2021 at 9:41 PM
8/24/2021 at 11:23 PM

I am going to repost the first message.

8/24/2021 at 11:23 PM

Where is the proof of Richard de Wever being the son of Henry de Drayton? Richard's father was named Henry, but the only occupation detailed was Forester of Mondrum. Just ensuring that there is evidence so I can link this profile to the weaver family tree (descendants of Richard de Wever).

8/24/2021 at 11:57 PM

Citations in profile - it’s from Hal Bradley’s compilation. His site has:

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/genealogy/aqwg1859.htm#32792

Sir Walter de VERE Knight [Parents] 1, 2, 3, 4 was born 1172 in Drayton, Northamptonshire, England. He died 5 1210 in Drayton, Northamptonshire, England. Walter married Lucy BASSET on 1197 in Drayton, Northamptonshire, England.

Lucy BASSET [Parents] 1, 2, 3, 4 was born 1179 in Weldon, Northamptonshire, England. She married Sir Walter de VERE Knight on 1197 in Drayton, Northamptonshire, England.

They had the following children:

		M	i	Sir Henry de DRAYTON Knight was born 1198 and died Aug 1253.
8/24/2021 at 11:58 PM

Footnotes

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/genealogy/aqwc1859.htm#327...

Sir Walter de VERE Knight

1Browning, Charles Henry, Americans of Royal Descent (Philadelphia: 1911. [7th edition.]), p. 531, Los Angeles Public Library, 929.273 B885c.

2Adkins, William Ryland Dent, The Victoria History of the County of Northampton (Westminster: Constable, 1902-), 3:156, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 942.55 V645 folio.

3Adkins, W., VCH of Northampton, 3:237.

4Waters, Robert Edmond Chester, Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley (London: Robson & Sons, 1878.), 1:48, Library of Congress, CS439 .C55 1878.

5Waters, R., Chester of Chicheley, 1:48.

8/25/2021 at 12:19 AM

Yeah, I was asking for the proof that Richard de Wever; Forester of Mondrum, of which the profile is clearly based on, was the son of Henry de Vere. These links provide information on the drayton/ de vere family, but not proof that the person, Henry de Wever; Forester of Mondrum; one who was forced to pay a fine by Richard de Grey and who is clearly established as the father of Richard de Wever in the many documentations of the event, one of which I believe is even used as a source on this geni profile, and Henry de Drayton de Vere are the same person.

8/25/2021 at 12:25 AM

Literally on the site that you linked, it displays Baldwin as the lone child.

8/25/2021 at 7:34 AM

You mean this profile

Richard de Weever

Is not the son of Sir Henry de Drayton (de Vere)

You’re right, he’s not. I’ve disconnected. Do you have a link when he belongs?

8/25/2021 at 3:21 PM

Yes, I have a link for him on my family tree. I'll merge them now.

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