R' avraham Heilprin,A.B.D. LVIV - Who was his real father-in-law?

Started by Haim Wartski, HaCohen on Wednesday, December 1, 2021
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12/1/2021 at 5:34 AM

In the book
https://beta.otzar.org/#/b/50750/p/-1/t/16380.4517769088508159/fs/o...
"משפחות עתיקות בישראל"
page:382
It is written that his father-in-law was Rabbi Michal Yechiel Epstein who was a famous physician and A.B.D. Kobli,son of Rabbi Avraham Halevi Epstein A.B.D. Horodna, Brisk and Kobli
son of Rabbi Meir Halevi Epstein,and he was The grandson of Rabbi Natan Halevi Epstein A.B.D. Frankfurt

Does anyone have proof that his wife was indeed Lusia the granddaughter of Rabbi Shaul Whal Katzenelnbogen?

12/1/2021 at 5:36 AM

Private User
Do you have any information on the subject?

12/1/2021 at 5:59 AM

I kept checking, in the book:
https://beta.otzar.org/#/b/105563/p/-1/t/16380.4517769088508159/fs/...
"מנחם משיב נפש"
page:18
Write the same information as the information I wrote above.

Kevin Lawrence Hanit

I saw that you have dealt with this branch in the past, do you think that there is indeed a mistake, and needs to be corrected?

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12/1/2021 at 9:43 AM

Haim Wartski, HaCohen There was a discussion on this matter in January 2020: R' Avraham Heilprin, A.B.D. Lviv

At that time it was determined that it was necessary to await an upcoming Chapter XVII of Rosenstein's Unbroken Chain.

Since i am not following the K'bogen research I am not able to say whether the new chapter is published yet or not. Perhaps Claudia Bullock or Kevin Lawrence Hanit or someone in the Unbroken Chain project (https://www.geni.com/projects/The-Unbroken-Chain-by-Dr-Neil-Rosenst...) is able to say whether the new chapter is available, and what the new chapter says about the Epstein spouse of R' Avraham Heilprin. I would also share this question with https://www.geni.com/projects/Alperovich-Heilbrun-Heilprin-Family/1540

12/1/2021 at 10:07 AM

Private User

many many thanks,

The information I found is solid and appears in several books. The question is whether the information is reliable or that someone made a mistake and others copied the mistake from him

Personally, I believe the information is reliable, and I explain: The fact that I am a descendant of Saul whal is known to me from my father, but, when I see that I am a descendant of a certain person from a large number of branches (like here), I begin to wonder if there is no mistake in a particular branch
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The other reason I believe a mistake was made here is: I checked the branch, I do not have any great grandmother or great aunt named Lusia, all the names in this branch do not really connect to me.

12/1/2021 at 12:31 PM

Haim Wartski,Hachoen and Adam Cherson,

This is what I posted in the previous discussion:

"FYI:
Rebbe Rabbi Elimelech Lipman, M'Lezensk is mentioned in Unbroken Chain on page 30 of Chapter 6, with a parenthetical comment that says "Lejask - see Chapter XVII". This is a reference to a chapter that has not yet been published."

It is anticipated that once Chapter 17 is published we will learn more about the ancestors of Rabbi Elimelech Lipman than what we know right now. In the prior discussion, Adam had found a source which suggested that R' Avraham Heilprin, ABD Lviv was married to a daughter of Yechiel Michel Epstein, and that this daughter was the mother of Rabbi Elimelech Lipman. Adam Cherson please correct me if I'm mis-remembering any of this.

As for Luisa, who is currently listed as a wife on this profile, I am not sure where the information about her came from. In the currently available volumes of "The Unbroken Chain", I was not able to find any information about a daughter of Yehuda Saul Katzenellenbogen named Luisa. The information about who his wife and children were seems to be missing from the current volumes.

As for Chapter 17, it is still yet to be published. Currently, there are 5 Volumes of the book that have been published. I heard from Neil Rosenstein a couple of days ago and was informed that Volume 6 will be out very soon (and will be 2 books), and that it will be followed by the final text for Chapter 17-18 (also 2 books). So, the bottom line is that Chapter 17 is coming but is not available quite yet, and we should be on the lookout for Volume 6 to come out first.

Claudia

12/2/2021 at 12:53 AM

Claudia Bullock

many many thanks Claudia.
I'm attaching a link to how I'm a descendant of him.
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I was able to verify everything except Lusia, I'm almost convinced it is a mistake, especially when I checked my ancestral mothers And aunts from her to me, and found none by that name

https://www.geni.com/path/Haim-Wartski-Hachoen+is+related+to+R-avra...

12/2/2021 at 2:38 AM

Private User

Can you help us resolve this issue please?

Private User
12/2/2021 at 8:19 AM

Claudia Bullock Correct except for this name:
"...this daughter was the mother of Rabbi Elimelech Lipman..." The name of her son according to that attached tree is Eliezer Lipman.

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