Possible name change of Monroe Jones/James Allard to James M Allen

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Monroe James Allard Where is the record for Monroe Jones Allard's Death Record? I can't find it, I believe he changed his name to James M Allen after cheating with Edna's half-sister Addie and running away with her, and having 3 children under the Allen, last name. There is a court document out of Pittsfield MA and 2 articles on Newspapers.com under Berkshire Eagle in 1900 and 1901. Can anyone help me?
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Wolfgang Weimann

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Can you post the records you’ve found that you mention to the profile?

I don't know how to add sources so I put the link to where Monroe J Allard lived with Addie. Edna is on the Census a few pages past them.

Do you have Newspapers.com account

Links are fine.

At newspapers.com, go to. My clippings, (find the article), download, (url box) copy. And then in the profile, paste. That’s the link to the article you refer to, and anyone can read. I have an account there but don’t know what you refer to without seeing which article.

To upload documents to geni profiles from your computer, see

https://help.geni.com/hc/en-us/articles/229705367-How-can-I-add-a-D...

For in laws to be seen living together or nearby on a census report is not at all unusual. What I’m not understanding, so far, is why you think James & Addie ran off together.

PS. It’s also, in some areas and eras, difficult to find vital records, so best we can do is note the last record we can find, and suggest “died after this date.”

i know how to use Newspapers I don't have an active account so I can't do it.

https://www.newspapers.com/search/?query=Monroe%20J%20Allard&p_...

It should be the top one I can't access it because I'm not currently paying for it.

Could you also look at Addie and Monroe article should be top one at

https://www.newspapers.com/search/?query=Addie%20L%20Griffin&p_...

Monroe committed Adultery with Addie and in one of the Articles that they took everything and only left the house in Lee. And one other thing is that the Case between Edna filed the Divorce court case in June 1901 and Addie L Griffin and James M Allen Had Oscar Joshua Allen in March 1902 which is 9 months. Not to mention that Monroe's Father and Brother were professional Painters and under the Birth Records of Oscar, Grace, and Gladys it says James was a painter. On multiple census records, it says 1868 as the estimate of the birth year of James M Allen which is Monroe J Allard's birth year. But on James's death record it says April 3rd, 1864, and Monroe was born on April 5th,1868, both in Rochester Vermont. On James Allen Tombstone they messed up the 1864 and put 1867. James M Allen doesn't exist before 1902 and Monroe doesn't exist after the court case of 1901.

The Pittsfield Sun, Pittsfield, Massachusetts · Thursday, October 04, 1900
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/114062605/addie-griffin-munroe-j-al...

Munroe J. Allard and hia sister-in-law, Miss Addie Griffin, have left Lee for parts unknown. The Allards came to Lee about seven years ago from Vermont and started a boarding house. Miss Griffin came from Saranac Lake, N.Y., and lived with them. The boarding house was soon given up and they moved to a smaller house. Allard did little, if any, work. Last Wednesday a letter was handed to Mrs. Allard by which she learned that the couple had left the previous Saturday. The letter was written by the young woman and stated that Mrs. Allard could have what was left In the house. Investigation proved that the place had been pretty well cleaned out and not much of value left. Mrs. Allard has sold at private sale what was left and proposes to let the couple severely alone.

I will add the clip to the profiles mentioned for you.

The Young woman would have been Addie she would have been 22 or 23 at the time of this Article. Monroe and Addie left together and most likely ended up becoming the Allens I wish the letter still existed. All I know James M Allen and Monroe J Allard have a high probability of being the same person.

Private User - I’ve now looked at your trees at https://gw.geneanet.org/wweimann?lang=en&pz=wolfgang&nz=weimann&p=m... & https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LRKR-VX6 (which has good records attached) and you have a good argument.

It does indeed look like “Allard” vanished & “Allen” popped into existence from no place.

But - I don’t know how to prove it without more documentation. Maybe Y DNA studies? Courthouse docs?

Allen is a rough surname (so many). Allard would be easier.

I’m posting profiles mentioned from the geni tree. Makes it easier to navigate and fill in details.

Stephen Frank Allard & Emily Cindrella Allard were the parents of Monroe James Allard who married and divorced Edna Frances Weaver

Edna was the daughter of Edward F. Manchester & Lenora "Nora" A Griffin who married 2nd to Joshua Michael Griffin Their children included Addie Lenora Allen who ran off with Munroe J. Allard, and married (no record seen) James M Allen

Their three children included a son, Oscar Joshua Allen but I don’t see that he had any sons.

So for DNA studies, you’d be using AT DNA.

Oscar had a daughter who had no kids and Grace had one son and daughter her son died at 10 and Madeline her daughter had no kids so Gladys's line is the only one to trace.

How much is the AT DNA I have done the Ancestry DNA

I would suggest using your ancestry DNA test and uploading to GEDmatch, which is platform independent.

https://app.gedmatch.com/register.php

Geni uses (free) linking from Family Tree DNA. I see they’re having a holiday sale.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/family-finder

Do I just upload the generic test

for gedmatch

It’s been a long time since I upload to Gedmatch. But I had no trouble just following the instructions on the site.

ok

How do I link the test to geni

i did the ged match

Do I have to pay to find out on Gedmatch

No, gedmatch is free. But there isn’t direct linkage between Gedmatch And geni.

I added the court record to Edna, Addie, Monroe James Allard

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