Paul Ernest Orris (Orosz) - Need help with ancestors of Paul Ernest Orris/Orosz

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George Andrew Peterson (a cousin of mine on my Finnish side) emailed me the following:

You appear to be very experienced in digging up Family Tree info
Would you help with finding something on my tree?
My Grandmother's side is lost. Her Father Paul Earnest Orris is as far back as I can find on this branch . Family rumor is the name is changed from his father who no one can give me his name!
Thanks if you can and no worries if you can't.

Merry Christmas Cousin!!
George

I am not really so gifted as he describes, but like to work with friends on Geni so I am through this out there. So far, here is what I have found:

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"New York, New York City Municipal Deaths, 1795-1949", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WGG-RWJ : 13 May 2022), Paul Orosz, 1947.

Name Paul Orosz
Event Type Death
Event Date 28 May 1947
Event Place Queens, New York City, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) New York City, Queens, New York, United States
Address 138-54-62 Ave
Residence Place Flushing, Queens, New York
Sex Male
Age 70
Marital Status Widowed
Race White
Occupation Ticket Agent-B.M.T.R.R.
Birth Date 1877
Birthplace Hungary
Burial Date 2 Jun 1947
Cemetery Holy Cross Cemetery
Father's Name Steven Orosz
Father's Birthplace Hungary
Mother's Name Rose Ungvarsky
Mother's Birthplace Hungary
Spouse's Name Martha
Note Queens General Hospital
Certificate Number cn 4892
Paul Orosz's Parents and Siblings

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Steven Orosz
Father

Rose Ungvarsky
Mother

Paul Orosz's Spouses and Children

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Martha
Spouse

Certificate Number cn 4892

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"Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2B1-BZD5 : 20 October 2022), Paul Orosz, ; Burial, Brooklyn, Kings Brooklyn, New York, United States of America, Holy Cross Cemetery; citing record ID 174247189, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

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"Connecticut, Deaths, 1640-1955", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7KN-ZJC : 11 June 2020), Orris in entry for Rose Orris, 1921.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214624305/rose-orris

There are two more by the name of Orris in the St. Mary's Cemetery - Michael and Susie who appear to be a married couple. Michael could be a relative, though not likely a son due to age. More research is needed.

I think we need to hunt for immigration records for "Rose and Steven Orris," likely Rose and Istevan Orosz..

Or perhaps since I did find a grave site for Rose in Connecticut, she was the one who came over. I am not sure if Paul was really born in Connecticut or perhaps Hungary. It appears that they were Hungarian-Catholic based on burial sites. I don't know if church records may show something. I am heading back into immigration records.

Is there a curator or user who may have some ideas for where to go next? From the Geni curators list, I am tagging the following as some who list Hungary as an area of expertise:

FARKAS Mihály László
Robert Hanscom

Any help from users or curators will be much appreciated. Thanks, Susanne

For review - possible match:

https://www.myheritage.com/research/record-10694-147143/stephen-oro...

Name Stephen Orosz
Birth Hungary
Naturalization 1904
Connecticut
Language English
Gender Male
Source
NARA Publication Title Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906
NARA Publication M1299
NARA Roll 28
Record Group 11-0563; 2011-12-14 09:50:53; dbjdbj

Another one for review:

Name Stephen Orosz
Birth Czechoslovakia
Naturalization Connecticut
Language English
Gender Male
Source
NARA Publication Title Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906
NARA Publication M1299
NARA Roll 28
Record Group 11-0563; 2011-12-14 09:50:53; dbjdbj

I think that this Stephen is a younger immigrant, but possibly connected. Just need more info. May be a granson of Rosa and older Stevan.

The immigration card notes that he was born in "Cxechoslovakia, now Hungary."

Determined (or think I have) that the Rosa Orris in Connecticut is NOT the mother of Paul. She married a man named Andros Orosz and both were immigrants from Hungary, but not same person.

After reviewing what I could find in My Heritage and Ancestry for immigration records (and I could have missed something, but tried what I thought feasible with spellings etc.) and found nothing that matches Steven or Rosa with regards to dates/locations. Some close, but not correct.

I am not convinced that Paul was born in US. I think his death certificate is correct. Will search through immigration for him.

Perhaps this is Paul:

"Hungary, Catholic Church Records, 1636-1895", database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X2DM-RJY : 12 March 2022), Orosz Pál, 1876.

Name Orosz Pál
Sex Male
Baptism Date 1876
Baptism Place Göncruszka, Abaúj-Torna, Magyarország
Baptism Place (Original) Göncruszka, Abauj-Torna, Hungary
Father's Name Orosz István
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Angsáski Rosalia
Mother's Sex Female
Event Type Baptism
Record Type Baptism
Source Details 51
Line Number 9
Affiliate Name SVI

Would Rosalia Angsáski be Rose Ungvarski?

Have put everything I could on profile of Paul Orosz/Orris. Unsure of how to proceed with parents. I don't think they immigrated to US, but stayed in Hungary

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