Koivistoine village in Ingria? (Tuutari?), Järveläinen surname

20.7.1895 Muolaassa syntyi Jooseppi Juhonpoika Järveläinen, onko varmaa, että Jooseppi on inkeriläinen alunperin?

The child of Aino and Joseph Järveläinen thinks so. Aino Ilmasti herself was from Ilmasti village, Tuutari Parish and both of her husbands were supposed to be from nearby Villages from Tuutari parish as far as she remembers.

Then again I can't find a Koivisto village in Tuutari parish or even see it in the list of villages from Ingria, and she does remember that Koivistone village name, since both of her parents died when she was still quite young it is very possible she might mix up some facts.

Annaliisa Abramova Koivisto or Koivistoisi was a parallel name for Mäntyharju/Ilmasti village. So, the same village Aino was from. I think her husbands were originally not from the same village, though. Kapanen could be from Riehkala or Tallikola, Järveläinen probably from Järveläisi.

Thank you Magnus! Atleast the Koivisto village name mystery has been solved. So now we know Aino's daughter remembered her mother's village name and confused it with her fathers.

Yeah I agree it is more probable that the husbands were from Riehkala and Järveläisi village. I looked at the Ilmasti in-law marriages in the family-tree and almost all the Kapanen connections were with the Riehkala Kapanens

And the Järveläinens from Järvisi village also seemed to marry a lot of Kapanens from Riehkala village.

Hopefully the future will bring some new information and clarity for both of the husbands identities.

Have a tiny breaktrough. Joseph Järveläinens descendants found in some family notes that his birth-date was 19.12.1903.

Joseph Johanss. Järveläinen

This almost but not quite matches the only living Joseph Johann-son Järveläinen from Järvelä Pieni-Karhila village born in 05.12.1903. The month and year matches, but the day doesn't.

Joseph Johanss. Järveläinen

Ero päivämäärissä on miltei sama kuin juliaanisen ja gregoriaanisen kalenterin ero nykyisin (13 päivää). Venäjällä luovuttiin juliaanisesta kalenterista vuonna 1918.

I was considering perhaps one is (5th) a birth date and the other (19th) is a Christering date. Sometimes people mix those up in the records.

Unfortunately the Tuutarin parish birth records for 1903 in the Finnish archive end in the middle of May 1903.

And the ones in Russian archive are inaccessible to me.
1903 Syntyneet, vihityt ja kuolleet / Рождение, венчание, смерть - ЦГИА СПб. Фонд 2294. Опись 1. Дело 53

So I can't check that theory for Joseph Järveläinen.

The Julian versus the Gregorian calendar would make the date almost match, but then it should be 18.12.1903. And would the births of 1903 fall in to the calendar change?

HI! The Koivistoinen family that are related to my family lived in great numbers in the village called Vallinge (Volynkina) not far from the Putilov plant in Saint Petersburg. They were members of St. Mary's Finnish Church (Pietarin Pyhän Marian kirkko), At the end of the 19th century they changed their surname to Berezin to sound it in the Russian way. By the way, I have also seen the surname Jarvelainen in the archives for those places, I can check for that later during the weekend..

By the way, we are related to the Ilmasti family. They come from Lachta outside Saint Petersburg. Lachta also referred to the same parish, St. Mary's church.

There is also Primorsk on the Carelian isthmus, formerly called Koivisto.

Elena If you could check the Järvelainen family churchbooks I would be really grateful.

The name change of the Koivistoinen family is so interesting.

Annaliisa, I have checked the milotary databases and found this man who lived in Tuuttari, howver the name is different: YARVILAINEN Ivan Genrikhovich, syntynyt 1909, syntynyt v ja Khannulan kylän (vuodesta 1927, Leningradin alueen Krasnoselskin piiri) asukas. Mobilisoitu 11.7.1942 Chelyabmetallurgstroy-säätiöön, kuoli 25.3.1943
I advise you to write to the Saint Petersburg FSB archives. I have been looking for my grandmother's brother who was imprisoned in Finland during the WW2. They sent me the information that he was sent to a filtartion camp in the Urals, and I can't find any more. From there he could be sent to work very far from his place of birth, as he was Finnish. As you are not a Russian citizen, you have to send a lettter to this address and write in English: Литейный пр-т, 4, Санкт-Петербург, 191123. They answer very kindly. From their documents you will learn about the address and birthdate. If you could know the year of birth, I would be able to check the churchbooks.

Elena thank you so much for looking in to the archive!

Yes it seems that Joseph Järveläinen born in 19.12.1903. seems to have completely disappeared from records.

In another news the DNA test results came back and we now know for sure as we had suspected that my great-uncle Armas Kapanen was not the father of Aino Ilmasti's children, and it was some other namesake Armas Kapanen who also seemed to have lived in Estonia.

Unfortunately the closest DNA matches of Aino Ilmasti's and Armas Kapanens child were from her mothers side so we could connect them to the Ilmasti side. Hopefully in the future there will be a closer match from the mystery Armas Kapanens side and we can solve his identity.

The mystery of Armas Kapanen has finally been resolved. The correct searched for Armas Kapanen turned out to be Armas Zacharias-son Kapanen from Riehkala village.

Armas Zachariass. Kabanen

We managed to find the descendants of Armas Kapanens family before the war. His descendants with both partners made a DNA tests and they matched as very close relatives. So that mystery has been solved and the family has been reconnected with each other.

My congratulations! What a thrill each time to find relatives! Good luck in your research!

We have another success and mystery of Joseph Järveläinen has been solved.

Joseph Johanss. Järveläinen

Joseph Järveläinens daughter Vera found some dokuments where we learned that her father Joseph Järveläinen was born in 19.12.1903 in Järvelä, Pieni-Karhila village in Tuutari and Josephs fathers name was Johann/Ivan.

Hence we now can confirm that the searched for Joseph Järveläinen is indeed the same Joseph Järveläinen who was born in 05.12.1903 in Järvelä, Pieni-Karhila kylä. The difference between the birtdates is probably from the change of Julius vs. Gregorius calendar. And the new birthdate had been miscalculated by one day.

Another new bit of information was that Joseph was arrested when his daughter was 1,5 years old, hence it had to happen somewhere in the period of 1938-1939. He was sent to hard labor in to a gold mine somewhere in the Russian region in Mongolia and died there. Where exactly the mine was is unknown and when he died is still unknown.

Now a new mystery arises. Josephs daughter remembered that his father Joseph Järveläinen was married/lived with another woman before he had his second family with Aino Ilmasti.

Unfortunately his daughter doesn't know the first wifes name but does know that they had a daughter called Irja (Järveläinen?) together. Now the new goal is to find any traces of Josephs daughter Irja and his first wife. Josephs daughter hopes to find out what happened to her older half-sister.

So the search goes on.