Irish Greene's family tree

Started by susana Diana greene clasen on Sunday, May 14, 2023
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I have a problem with my ancestry family tree, because I have three different versions of John Greene's family, the first book written by a relative was around eighteen nineties, that one without
serious comprobations connect the family through the Dorset Branch to a Throckmorton, then came
another one that puts John as son of a Nicholas Greene and ms Bacon. then Michael Greene a retired Colonel of the now New Zealand branch (as the first one wrote another vesion adding the new generations into the book of those who answered to his question and he elicidated that the wife of
John Greene was Courtenay that hold land in Limerick near Old Abbey. the discarded one was the
version of Almondsbury Beatrix wedding because of dates, even if the Greene's had a Manor in York
that could have gone to a cadet branch of Northampton. So if you could reflect some light on this I would be very grateful, what I'm considering the secure branches by the time been are the ones
that come out of Anne Irwin and Catherine Horsey
I will be very happy to have some security about the road to follow. I also Know that when the first
Colonel (by the way is in the Irish National Library with much more. as I know that the Irwin papers
are in Belfast arquived with the papers of Jenes William Irwin in laws the Gore-Booth as he died in
Lissadil House, so it's now in the PROENI.

When there are various versions of a tree, the first thing to do is to evaluate the sources.

Just because something is written down some place doesn’t mean it’s reliable information — you wantin to check your sources that you are using to see if they cite documentation — in other words, how did they come to the information they are giving?

Often the family genealogies written by family members are not reliable; some are but some aren’t.

So that’s the first thing you would want to check — are primary documents (documents from the time period) cited in any of the three different versions you mention above?

@Both Greene's family genealogies not only went through the genealogical look through the Irish National Library where is deposited in plaques as the documents that saved them of the fire
that happened during the Revolution.enriched with all the papers by Mrs Betty Greene of the Kilkea branch various.Greenes had to present all these documents to recieve the permission
to use the coat of arms, all of them have a detail that differences from to others, my late uncle
Robert had crescent moon on the neck of the buck that crowns the crest with three bucks trippant.
Which my great-grandfather didn't

So, what kinds of citations are in the Greenes' genealogies? They might not be given as footnotes and such, but in order to be really useful, they need to at least be explaining where their information came from.

Private User what do we do when Bartrum presents multiple lines for a person. His index contains the sources he uses, and he acknowledges the differences, but he still presents both. I look at his dating and go with the line that makes the most chronological sense. Wolcott does that, but also looks at the geographical data available. I think the important thing is that you take all the data, and as Darrell once told me, "make your best guess and go with it."

Steven Mitchell Ferry —indeed. I hadn’t gotten to that part yet.

susana Diana greene clasen — It’s not clear what the problem is, as you seem to be saying that you have reliable sources. If so, use those. If you are worried about finding other information on the internet, ignore it if it comes from unsourced family web trees — they are not reliable, and cause a great deal of trouble in the early historical profiles.

The general rule of thumb is that primary sources are the most important — any documents from the time period itself; reliable secondary sources are the next important — genealogies or histories or studies that cite the primary documents — and the tertiary sources, which don’t cite anything at all, are usually not useful.

However. As Steven points out, the primary documents are often problematic. This isn’t just true in the early historical profiles (Steven is referencing the Welsh tree, where the medieval manuscript genealogies notoriously contradict each other) but even if recent profiles; sometimes clerks write the wrong date, or mishear some information, and so other documents contradict the information they give.

And even the secondary sources that cite their primary evidence aren’t necessarily reliable.

This is because all of the written sources come from a human author, who may have had biases in interpreting the documents. And the documents themselves come from humans, who may have made mistakes, or even Told Untruths. The entire Frankish tree is riddled with false genealogies that were invented in the Middle Ages; one of the branches of the Herbert family in England had a genealogy that was invented in Cromwellian times to give them a connection to the Tudors; almost all of the medieval genealogies from Europe take the noble families back to the gods.

So it’s often true that we have to make the best decision we can. When there is really an issue, you can mention that in the Overview (but don’t bother putting info from the web trees in; that information only matters if it either comes from reliable sources that contradict each other, or are a false narrative that has infected genealogies, like the Franks or the Herberts.)

So, of the three versions of your family that you have, which version is the most reliable?

History is strange, Just think in Homer, after all he followed mythical repeated stories, Historians, archeologist found that when written wasn't normal words were very important so when historians
investigated the folk Irish lore like the Bo cualnige.....found they could date culture they were talking about, as in the Iliad there is only two commentaries about iron swords, Same thing happened with Irish saga, Filids the 2nd authorities after Druids, the poets spent 12 years memorizing genealogies,they also found out that the structure of polities in the times described
was very much like Indo-Europeans Priests nª 1 - nª2 warriors - nª3 merchants - nª4 farmer-herders. So this could have happened with all the Indo-Europens tribes that were on the move
most of the time. Interesting to think about, as historians use sagas to fill up what is not written.

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