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John Graves, Sr. - Relationship path

Started by Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 on Monday, May 15, 2023
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Direct Relationship Found
Seventh great granddaughter
1. Cynthia is the daughter of [private father] DNA confirmed
2. [Private] is the son of Viola Isabelle Webber (1905-1977) DNA confirmed
3. Viola is the daughter of Sarah Ida (Honeycutt) Webber (1879-1951) DNA confirmed
4. Sarah is the daughter of Jacob Honeycutt (1839-1911) [confident]
5. Jacob is the son of Dicie (Israel) Honeycutt (abt.1807-) [unknown confidence]
6. Dicie is the daughter of Isom Israel (1780-1850) [unknown confidence]
7. Isom is the son of Sarah (Graves) Israel (1738-1824) [unknown confidence]
8. Sarah is the daughter of Joseph Graves (abt.1715-abt.1774) [unknown confidence]
9. Joseph is the son of John Graves (abt.1665-aft.1737) [unknown confidence]
This makes John the seventh great grandfather of Cynthia.

John Graves, Sr. is your first cousin 9 times removed's husband's grandfather.
You
→ Geneive Melba Hicks (Emerson)
your mother → John Mac Emerson
her father → Elma Emerson (Swaim)
his mother → Sallie Edward Swaim (Utterback)
her mother → Martha Adeline Utterback (Curd)
her mother → Sarah "Sallie" Baker Curd (Martin)
her mother → Rebecca Priscilla Martin (Davis)
her mother → Joseph Davis
her father → Richard "Old Dick" Davis, Sr.
his father → Thomas Davis, of Overwharton Parish
his father → Susannah Bartlett (Davis)
his sister → Isabelle Susan Graves (Bartlett)
her daughter → Thomas Graves, VI
her husband → Thomas Graves, of Spotsylvania
his father → John Graves, Sr.
his father

No blood relationship was found.

He is my 9th Great Grand Father 😊💓

The mismatch is on the children of Joseph Graves

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Graves-1328 has a note:

Research Notes

Detached daughter: Sarah (Graves) Israel (1738-1824) Neither she nor her children are named in his will. Also she was born in Goochland [Albemarle] County VA

Sarah Graves, wife of Michael Israel, still shows attached to parents at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Graves-1330

notes in that profile are:

Biography

Sarah Graves is Graves Family Association Gen.191. The first generation. Her parents have not been identified.[1] She was last updated on Jan. 22, 2010.

Originally she was thought to possibly be the daughter of Joseph Graves (abt.1715-abt.1774) [2], but that is now in doubt. His 1774 will does not name a daughter Sarah nor her children. Plus he lived in Orange Co. VA, no mention of Albemarle County. However, multiple descendants of Sarah Graves Israel have DNA matches to descendants of her sister, Mary Graves Cleveland, supporting the long believed relationship.

Cynthia (Hicks) Curtis, A183502, US7875087 is Sarah (Graves?) Israel's fifth great granddaughter

Sarah Israel

Yes

Running into them while adding to the Big Tree from DNA matches.

4 Jun 2022 she was detached at Wikitree. Not sure how she got reattached.

For some reason, the website for Graves is broken.
https://www.gravesfa.org/
https://ymlpcl9.net/9ebb4ejybakaewbseaoayuqazamwbq/click.php
I used to get their newsletter in my email.

Here-- this works: https://graves-fa.org/

https://graves-fa.org/info/autosomal.html
says not enough matches yet.
I will reach out:
https://graves-fa.org/gen-histories/charts/chart191-autosomal.pdf
She's Gen number 191 but they only listed 4 descendants

They think she may be descended from 169 who is Captain Thomas Graves of Virginia who may be descended from Thomas Graves and Katherine Crowshaw

GEN. NO. 169

NO. OF DESC. 28

ANCESTOR/GENEALOGY NAME LAST UPDATE & COMMENTS: Capt. Thomas Graves of VA 23 Jan. 2013

CHROMOSOME & SEGMENT BOUNDARIES (millions of cM) and PROBABLE COMMON ANCESTORS:
6, 160-161.5 Thomas Graves & Katherine Croshaw
5, 61-73 Maybe Henry White Graves & Mary Williams
12, 108-112 Ancestor of 168 & 169

If I am reading this correctly

https://sites.rootsweb.com/~mlwilson/fam01439.html
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Unknown-481205
Katherine Croshaw
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/L1WZ-49J/katherine-croshaw-15...
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/34196873/katherine-graves

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