Joseph Annis Keyes, Sr - Need help to disambiguate, please:

The ABOUT presently reads:
* Reference: [https://familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GZXT-JSX FamilySearch Genealogy] - [https://www.geni.com/projects/SmartCopy/18783 SmartCopy]: ''Feb 17 2022, 20:07:00 UTC''
now https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/K6MP-CJK
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/collaborate/K6MP-CJK says:

Confusion in families and family note from a descendant

Stop confusing the different Joseph Keyes!!! So many people have changed things here I can't tell anymore who did what. Rebecca Mullins IS NOT HIS WIFE. People insist on this info being correct but it is not. I'm not going to keep trying to fix it. Lawana

Joseph Keys who married Rebecca Mullins IS NOT the son of Matthias Keyes. Joseph KEYS who married Rebecca is an orphan. He got his name from having a set of keys around his neck when his adoptive family found him on their doorstep in Massachusetts. People keep putting the two families together but they are totally separate. I separated the families with sources but somehow they got put back together. The other family spells its name Keyes and does come from Matthias Keyes.

Joseph Annis Keyes Jr is the son of Joseph Keyes Sr and wife Elizabeth Fletcher. Annis is the maiden name of his grandmother Sarah Annis, wife of Matthias Keyes and was passed down to this Joseph who also passed this name to his son. See Genealogy of Robert Keys. I also disconnected this Joseph Annis Keyes from the McMillan spouses. I am a direct descendant of Matthias and Sarah through son Charles. - CKHTC

When Joseph Annis Keys was born on November 5, 1726, in Bolton, Massachusetts, his father, Matthias, was 28 and his mother, Sarah, was 32. He married Elizabeth Fletcher in 1744. They had six children in 14 years. He died on April 10, 1808, in Deep Creek, North Carolina, having lived a long life of 81 years.
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Per a message in my inbox here:

"discovery of the birth records in Woburn, Bedfordshire for the earliest born Robert Keyes in 1590 and his son Robert Jr. in Norfolk County in 1610" proved they came from Peter Keyes' marriage to Beatrice Barnes."

"conflict over the siblings and wives there in the Joseph Annis marriages"

"problems with all those siblings and especially Charles who later had sons who retained the spelling of Keys and kept on for many generations"

It does not appear this will be difficult to FIX but may require curator assistance and MP of several profiles.

I agree, Cynthia.

FS is unreliable for him right now--- no idea
the profile has had a lot of changes there

Erica, Yes, in the About of Joseph it states that Elizabeth Fletcher brought 6 children into the family of Joseph Keyes, of Bolton so those are the 6 listed in FS for Elizabeth. It would appear therefore that further evidence would show that those 6 all should be under the motherhood of Elizabeth. We can just go to edit on each one and change their parents to Joseph and Elizabeth. Then we would be left with Ruth alone as coming from a second wife, Rebecca. We could leave Rebecca and her daughter Ruth where they are until we come up with some more evidence. But you know, Erica, that I am hard at work on bringing back John Kenyon's profile and family line into proper order. I have got the answer now but will post it first at the Kenyon Project on FTdna. The Ydna subclades and SNP pathways solve the issue and all the family lines. Kenyon Project has now got them all grouped by specific brothers coming from John Kenyon. So, Cynthia, that has turned out exactly like our common Brewer family and all the sons of George G. Brewer. Their SNP pathways are just like the way brothers should be way back 300 years ago, just the same until the terminal subclade defining which brother line it is.

Clap, clap, clap, the sound of clapping hands for good work done. I noticed at about 7pm that you were working on this and that you had Joseph of Bolton still with two wives. Right away looking at the tree, I thought, "hummm, 2 separate wives married 2 men with the same name except for that middle name. This makes my brain go dizzy." Thanks, Erica, for getting them separated and documented and done.

What a sad but amazing story! A foundling with a set of keys around his neck. And now I am curious about the man whose doorstep he was left on

Nicely done, Erica Howton!

On behalf of the person messaging for help, and for getting them straight here on Geni with your hard work, thank you.

Geni IS the Gold Standard.

Yes, I have gotten my Mendenhall Family Assoc. (MFA) co-laborator, Dan McEver to tell the people at several of our reunions like Richmond, IN and Swindon, England that the curator system that Geni uses really works because ones like Erica do check on so many of the public lines and keep them accurate through documentation. BTW my wife hates all the time that we Mendenhall MFA researchers spend on these family trees and without pay. That influenced me to not open up another huge family group which has been worked on by so many. I am referring to the descendants of Robert Keyes b1610 in Norfolk, Endland. Now you can see how far ranging down the lines this family goes with large numbers of children. I was especially reluctant to open up my work on this family to any brother beyond Elias Keyes b1643. Solomon's family descendants are vast and I thought they were participating in the research. But they could not get up the line past Robert. I waited for them to contact me or work with me, but they never did. I found the parish birth records for Woburn, Bedfordshire and decided to trace the births in them to wherever they led because they contained the birth of a Robert Keyes born in 1590 and he had an elder brother, John, who also had a Robert. But this latter Robert could not be connected to any immigration to America. The Woburn registers were so extensive that they proved that Robert born 1590 surely left Woburn as a younger son usually did if he was ambitious. So we find him marrying just across the county line west of Norwich, Norfolk in 1609 and having a son Robert in 1610. From there to 1620 the Virginia Colony Company and the Massachusetts Bay Company were formed and so Robert decided to go to Massachusetts. Now they have a Woburn there too.Then Elias was known for settling in nearby Watertown just outside of Boston. I still waited to see if the Solomon line was active lately with new research, but saw no sign of it. Finally Suzanne Callahan ended up messaging with me about what she could do with the Keyes line. She was new on Geni and inexperienced so we started working together on her Mathias line. That notified Cynthia and then you, Erica to start this "help to disambiguate" discussion. Good work. Like my wife says, I need to find some help.

Also the problem we had figuring out the children of Beatrice Barnes and Peter Keyes and several times deleting Robert Keyes born in 1610 maybe because Beatrice was 47 by that time, caused delay in dealing with this line. So it is gratifying to finally see Robert's descendants verified and extended so nicely. I love the completion of the About for Elias Keyes now made possible by the merge. That opens up wonderfully the line continuing down through James and others. I did a lot of work this morning cleaning up merges and details in the lines including for the Solomon family being in-attentive to additions needed.