Who is Dave Wahlanutah "Chief" Weaver?

Started by Erica Howton on Friday, November 17, 2023
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Dave Weaver, Sr. married Melinda "Linney" Weaver & wife of Dave Weaver

Matches to https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Weaver-1937 more or less. The Wikitree profile is not looked after by their Native American Heritage project. There are research comments, and a Dawes Card, informational purposes, for a much later Weaver family.

https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/3/3b/Weaver-1937-1.png

Research links at Wikitree:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210586181/david-%22dave%22-weaver

https://www.bia.gov/sites/bia.gov/files/assets/as-ia/ofa/petition/0...

https://www.bernethy-eby-scribner.com/getperson.php?personID=I27200...

This profile appears to be a muddle of multiple people. The Cherokee never had a chief named "Dave Weaver." The Dawes card attached to this profile has nothing to do with this man. The Dave Weaver mentioned in that record was a much later white man married to a Cherokee woman named Jennie Burgess.
In 1896 a bunch of people claimed to be the descendants of Dave Weaver; along with many white people their claim was accepted by the court but rejected by the Cherokee. They also filed Eastern Cherokee applications which were rejected (see report at https://www.fold3.com/image/205073817) The report does give quite a bit of genealogical information

Quoting from Guion Miller's report on this family (see https://www.fold3.com/image/205073817):
"Elizabeth Eddings, who it is claimed was a daughter of the Dave Weaver on the roll was a grandmother in 1835, having several grandchildren who were born about 1830, and one in 1828, who was a brother of Levi R Eddings,, applicant #2370, and the son of Ivan Eddings. Elizabeth Eddings should have been on the roll of 1835 under the name of Eddings and her children above mentioned most of whom were the heads of families at that time, should also have been enrolled under their own names. None of the names, with the exception of Dave Weaver, appear on the rolls of 1835, 1851 or 1882. The supposition therefore, is that Elizabeth Eddings left the tribe, if she were ever connected with it, prior to 1835 and from that time on none of her descendants have been connected with or recognized as members of the tribe."

Report is attached to application #45, Jas. A. Blackburn.

Thank you. I’m not sure how to fix it, yet, though!:)

Erica Howton I think "Chief" got conflated/messed up especially with a Gedcom ---

You MP'd Rev. John Howard Byrd who is the 2nd great grandfather of a woman who shared some information with me when I asked her about a FaG memorial she has--- she and I messaged for a time back in 2021 here and on the FaG platform.
Anyway-- the data on the FaG for David (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210586181/david-%22dave%22-weaver) is quite a bit different from the profile here at Geni Dave Weaver, Sr.

The reverend was said to be the son of Martha Anna ‘Twy’ Byrd but this has since been corrected on the FaG memorial for him and I think THAT is the connection folks are insisting to maintain--- the lady I spoke with made corrections several years ago and I trust her research more than a Gecom
Can you revisit the Rev? That may be helpful, I think?

John Franklin Byrd the mother is locked to Gann but needs moved to Lewellen.

As for "Dave", and a daughter named Twy, they are no longer connected to Rev. John Howard Byrd on the sponsored FaG memorials so I think even SHE (the memorial manager who is a descendant but I don't want to call her out-- I can PM you details if needed) is ok with reworking CHIEF DAVE to make him correct.

Other managers on the profiles may wish to weigh in but they need to conform to the sources meaning disconnections and new profiles added which represent actual people with correct corresponding data/sources.

Dave Weaver, Sr. here's the one I had added from the FaG...

Sharp Mountain vs Shark Mountain?

Anyway--- gives us different clues--
David Weaver vs David Weaver

Definitely some major clean up is needed.

Ooops--- vs David Crockett Weaver

Erica Howton I will forward you a message. Stepping off now.
Thank you! And thank you, Kathryn Forbes

I am connected somehow--- via Lewellen/White is what I had told her that foirst contact two years ago.... I have not revisited except for when I saw the Gedcom mess this few months ago and Erica was kind enough to MP and safeguard what we DO know for our end... Bottom up.

Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 - it’s confusing to have two Chief Wahla'nutah David Weaver. How about merging your version Dave Weaver, Sr. to the other, maintain the wife of Dave Weaver wife, move the children except the disproved ones, disconnect the wives we have no proof of names?

The Elizabeth Weaver Eddings daughter is documented as per https://www.fold3.com/image/205073817

David Weaver was not a chief and his Tsagali name is not known.

Erica Howton I’m logged off for the day but have no objection to a merge.
I was actually surprised to see they had not been merged back in September when that Gedcom came in .

And then I was thinking maybe there’s more than one David.
I’ll try to get up to speed

I think you need to detach David Crockett Weaver from parents. Cynthia Curtis, A183502, US7875087 Dates are impossible and you will likely have difficulty finding actual parents if the FindAGrave manager has not. And, no children attached, so …

Erica-- he is relationship locked:
https://www.geni.com/profile/edit_relationships/6000000147266472850
Please disconnect David Crockett Weaver from parents for me?

585,153 Public Member Trees results for David Crockett Weaver at Ancestry--- I will do a little work on him today and try to recall why I added him to begin with lol
Looks like they run into dad's Honeycutt :/
August 2020....

Found Crockett's death certificate. Calls his race "Indian"
https://media.geni.com/p14/17/81/cf/e8/534448648d0ceb99/7b8c72a9-74...

Ok-- got him moved since I found a father to add and switch :)

David Crockett Weaver
Trees show him as son of David 1799 and Nancy Cecile.
If the 1850 census I am looking at for him is correct, he is also seen as mulatto.
Hope to have his family group complete...

https://www.ancestry.com/sharing/7820985?mark=7b22746f6b656e223a226...
Father David 1799:
David Weaver
in the 1850 United States Federal Census
Name David Weaver
Gender
[Male]
Race Mulatto
[American Indian]
Age 51
Birth Year abt 1799
Birthplace Alabama
Home in 1850 Mobile, Alabama, USA
Occupation Farmer
Industry Agriculture
Line Number 6
Dwelling Number 559
Family Number 559

Choctaw

Here is the link to the "Mowa Choctaw" application for federal recognition (rejected). The BIA could find no records to connect the individuals named as the foundational family of the group (Dave Weaver and others) to any Choctaw person. The report does include a lot of genealogical information on Dave and his descendants although there is nothing to suggest that they were actually Choctaw.

https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/as-ia/ofa/petiti...

Is he the same person who applied as Creek?

U.S., Records Related to Enrollment of Eastern Cherokee by Guion Miller, 1908-1910 https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/17865:60555 Name David C Weaver Record Date 18 Apr 1911 Record Place Sims Chapel, Alabama. Creek case. Rejected.

Is this him?:
https://www.newspapers.com/image/237534432/?article=e83aa3d0-8675-4...

The Clarke County Democrat
Grove Hill, Alabama · Thursday, February 06, 1890

Page 41 (Page 50 of 59).

“Conclusion. The Department could not locate any connections to the four core ancestors whom the petitioner has claimed to be Choctaw or to any other historical tribes.

In other words,

  • "Ka-li-o- ka" could not be located for any of those who claimed her as a direct ancestor.
  • "Nancy Fisher" could not be identified with any historical tribe and connected to those who claimed her as a direct ancestor.
  • "Lemuel Byrd" and "Dave Weaver" could not be identified with any historical tribes.”

https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/as-ia/ofa/petiti...

Yes, this https://www.bia.gov/sites/default/files/dup/assets/as-ia/ofa/petiti... appears to be him:
In the response
to the Proposed Finding, the petitioner presented further documentation on four of these core
ancestors whom it daimed to be of Native American descent: Ka-Ii-o-ka, Nancy Fisher, Lemuel
Byrd, and Dave[ Weaver.

Cut paste is odd for these sources--- it reads David not Dave[

"Nancy Fisher, whom the petitioner claims was Cherokee and the mother of a
Cecile Weaver"
"David Weaver, whom the petitioner claims was Cherokee and married to
Cecile, purported daughter of Nancy Fisher "

I have seen Nancy listed as daughter of Nancy Fisher or Mary Stiggins---- but always as daughter of William "Red Eagle" Weatherford.

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