Jakub Humpal - Marriage sources needed for Jakub Humpal (1667 Jamny - 1700) & Jakub Humpal (1692 Kašina Hora

Peter Rohel (c) C

12/4/2023 at 8:21 AM

Will Wunder contacted me and wrote:

1) Jakub Humpal born 1667 of Jamny was never married to Zuzana (or any one else) as Private User showed - so she should be disconnected from Jakub 1667.

2) The other Jakub Humpal b 1692 of Kašina Hora I have moved to his true set of parents in another part of my family tree. I still want both Jakub's connected to my family tree.

I cannot confirm he had a wife Mariana or son Pavel. He certainly did not have a grandson named Matous born 1731 since Matous was the son of Pavel and Zuzana Tesar/Humpal. My research here shows conflicting and incomplete info. The land register shows Jakub Humpal Vana 1692 as having died about 1717 but there is no death record. The seigniorial register of 1718 has no sign of a widow or surviving children of Jakub Humpal/Vana 1692.

a) Private User, do you happen to have a Marriage source for Jakub Humpal born 1667 of Jamny
b) Same goes for a Marriage source for Jakub Humpal 1692 of Kasina Hora

If a source, etc. Can Not found within 1 week - I will "Separate" Zuzana from Jakub born 1667

As to Jakub Humpal b 1692 of Kasina Hora - hopefully You (Keith) and Will Wunder - can resolve Marriage to Mariana, her son Pavel and grandson Matous in this Discussion & make corrections OR Mariana will also be "Separated" in 1 week

Will Wunder

12/12/2023 at 10:40 PM

For the record, I will present evidence that the profiles of Mariana Humpal Pavel Humpal Zuzanna Humpal and Matous Humpal should be disconnected.

The links I provide are from the South Bohemian Regional Archives.

https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/3761/125/3095/2065/85/0 Birth record of Jakub Humpal Jr b 1692 in Kasina Hora- his parents were not Jakub and Zuzana Humpal as was previously constructed, but were Jakub and Alzbeta Humpal

https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/3761/72/2456/2316/74/0 Jakub and Alzbeta Humpal's marriage record Nov 24, 1682. Jakub's surname was actually Vana or Vania and he was from Kasina Hora. This couple was already in another part of my family tree and I have moved their son, Jakub Humpal b 1692, to this couple.

https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/721228/59/3964/1261/30/0 Land record of the Humpal farmhouse in Kasina Hora. It shows Jakub Vania/Vana as landholder.

Jakub Vana/Humpal Sr. would die in 1693. The widow Alzbeta would marry Jakub Dacek/Humpal and would die in 1713, paving the way for Jakub Vana/Humpal Jr b 1692 to take over the farm. Jakub Jr would die in 1717 or 1718 according to the land record, there is no parish burial record however. Eventually, a Martin Tesar would take over the property in 1719 or 1720. https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/721230/162/2355/3178/30/0

https://digi.ceskearchivy.cz/50430/255/2773/784/44/0 This is from the seigniorial register of Kasina Hora in 1725. Martin Tesar/Humpal had a son named Pavel Tesar/Humpal that was born about 1706. This Pavel would marry Zuzana Marsova in 1728 and have a son Matous in 1731. This is not the Pavel Humpal born in 1717 that Keith displayed (he only would have been 14 when Matous was born). There is no record in Seigniorial registers in Kasina Hora of a surviving widow or children of Jakub Vana/Humpal b 1692. I couldn't find death records of them either.

Will Wunder

Peter Rohel (c) C

12/17/2023 at 8:08 AM

No longer Married: 1) Jakub Humpal born 1667 of Jamny was never married to Zuzana

No longer Married: 2) The other Jakub Humpal b 1692 of Kašina Hora

Will Wunder - please go ahead and make any changes & additions to your Ancestor, etc. branch.
Private User - thank you for your help.

Jakub Humpal - Marriage sources needed for Jakub Humpal (1667 Jamny - 1700) & Jakub Humpal (1692 Kašina Hora - )

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