John Nuthall of Cross Manor - Nuthalls are a hashed-up mess

Started by Private User on Tuesday, August 26, 2014
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Private User
8/26/2014 at 7:15 PM

This is probably going to require Curator assistance, as so many of the profiles involved have been MP'ed. There are duplicate profiles, missing profiles, wrong parents, wrong children, wrong dates, wrong places, wrong this, wrong that - ALL over the place. (There is a lot of BAD documentation out there, intended to "improve" the lineage.)

John Nuthall "of Cross Manor" (he spent only the last few years of his life there) was the son of James Nuthall and Jane Wiseman, and the grandson of thrice-married Margaret Taynter Nuthall Joslin (her maiden name is unknown, was possibly Farr - her Nuthall husband's given name may have been Charles). John Nuthall of London was NOT his father, but was probably a collateral relative (uncle? cousin once removed?).

He was probably from Essex, and certainly NOT from Cheshire.

He was born certainly by 1620, possibly by 1618 or even a little earlier. He was in Virginia by 1630, as an *indentured servant* to one Hugh Hay(e)s of Northampton County, VA - when it was reported that he ran away to live with the Indians. (People who, or whose families, could afford to pay passage did *not* become indentured servants.) "Evidence given in "Report and Accompanying Documents of the Virginia Commissioners" by deposition made by one William Jones, that John Nutwell (Nuthall) was a runaway servant of a Hugh Hays of Accomack Co., VA who lived with Indians until he was caught and whipped."

He was set up on his own trading in furs probably by 1640 - in a Northampton county court order dated January 11,
1640/41, John Nuthall (2) paid 5 and 1/2 pounds of “good marketable beaver or the value thereof”.

He apparently made a trip back to England circa 1642, acquiring his first wife there: Rebecca Bright, daughter of Robert Bright, married John Nuthall in June 1642. The marriage was brief and there were no children. (Whether she died or the marriage was annulled, is not on record.)

Back in Northampton County, Virginia, John Nuthall "comforted the widow" of Dr. John Holloway, and married her in January/February 1644. She had her first husband's posthumous (and only) child, Priscilla Holloway, either shortly after or (more likely) shortly before the marriage. Elizabeth Holloway Nuthall may have been born a Bacon, but the documentation is iffy and some of it is probably spurious.

John and Elizabeth Nuthall had four children, all born in Northampton County, Virginia: Eleanor (c. 1645, m. Thomas Sprigg, Sr.), John (March 22, 1647/8), James (c. 1649), and Elias (c. 1650).

He did not actually relocate to Maryland until c. 1660, and only his children went with him. Elizabeth had died, possibly as early as 1653, and his third and final wife, Jane Major Johnson (nee Larrimore), did not accompany him either. It may be that the marriage (which occurred on Sept 12, 1660 in Hungars Parish, Northampton County, VA) was a near-immediate failure - Jane continued to reside in Virginia, and had provision made for her in the will of her (step)son Richard Johnson on 20 November 1673.

John Nuthall died of unknown causes some time before Oct 10, 1667.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~codd/nuthall9.14.pdf

Private
8/26/2014 at 8:45 PM

Private User thanks for the "nutty" problem on my 8x cousin 5 x removed..

Private
8/26/2014 at 8:46 PM

I've passed this over to Erica Howton to see if she or others wants to take a look at it.. I'm busy working on a project with a us senator right now as it is.. so maybe later/

Private User
8/26/2014 at 9:40 PM

It gets really gnarly going back and forth between Accomack/Northampton and Maryland - neither side keeps close track of the wanderers.

Private User
8/26/2014 at 10:11 PM

Found an online copy of the 1613 Visitations of Cheshire (it's a downloadable Zipfile at http://fhsc.org.uk/visitations/ ).

According to that source, John Nuthall and Mary Hyde had exactly *one* son, Richard (baptized 1612), and six daughters. And everybody was accounted for up through 1624.

8/26/2014 at 11:01 PM

For descent it looks like Curator Myrna has done some nice sourcing. For ascent it looks like Curator Ben merged up some duplicates - and the not! father has a family that doesn't much belong to him:)

I think you could just send a note to the 2 of them saying you're cutting this guy loose & progress from there.

Private User
8/29/2014 at 11:12 AM

No objections to research-backed changes...

1/9/2015 at 12:13 PM

Here's another problem...

Tracing back 11 generations from John Nuthall (1619), I come to George Tubb (1719). I don't think it's possible to cram 11 generations into one century, first of all. And, when you go to George Tubbs' daughter, Susanna Lance (Tubb), her birthdate is shown as 1337. Working back from Susanna to Andrew Ward, jr., there is an entire group of people who seem to have been just plopped down in the middle of this line.
Sorry, am using my tablet due to pc problems & couldn't figure out how to share the path...would think if you input Andrew Ward, jr to James Nuthall, you would get the same results.

Private User
1/11/2015 at 12:07 AM

Looks like another timey-wimey loop....

1/11/2015 at 7:41 AM

At "normabischel.tripod.com/TUBB.html" there is a George Tubb who has a daughter, Susannah (11 Oct 1761 - 31 Jan 1852), who is a possibility. But, she married a William Tabor.
Still working on this, though.

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