Margaret Harrison (Pilkington) - Incorrect Connection

Started by Debbie Gambrell on Friday, April 23, 2021
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4/23/2021 at 3:19 PM

Is there any documentation for Margaret Pilkington as the wife of Richard Harrison and mother of his children?

I'm asking because I was on the Find-a-Grave page for my ancestor who you have as her son here, lists his mother as Margaret Picke Harrison and lists Margarets parents as well:

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104045126/margaret-harrison

So I did some more searching and found this additional info that supports Margaret Picke as the wife and mother:

Margaret Harrison

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Picke-1

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harrison-182

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LHTF-X2H/margaret-picke-1598-...

http://www.axtell-surname.org.uk/fam18803.html

The only place I could find a mention of Margaret Pilkington doesn't support her as connected here:

"from Harrison mailing list:
father: Anthony Harrison b 1563 d 1650 VA; Anthony's other children: George, Andrew d 1686 married Thomasine Raines, Thomas.
Anthony's father is Peter Harrison b Cambridge England? d 1593; Peter's other children: William, Peter, Richard d 1603 VA married Margaret Pilkington..." from this site: http://hindskw.com/KennethHinds/1794.html

And this Wiki page that has a Richard Harrison with wife Margaret Pilkington but there is a good bit that doesn't match correctly and I believe the two couples have become confused in these connections:

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harrison-1268

4/24/2021 at 8:48 AM

Find a grave is not always correct. I am constantly sending them corrections with primary sources. Maybe this will help.

Harrison DNA Project
http://harrison.jhamedia.com/pats.html

4/24/2021 at 10:36 AM

Same here, regarding Find-a-Grave. I had posted prior to concluding later in the day yesterday that I really couldn't find anything to validate the parentage of Rev. Thomas Harrison, so the question of whether his mother was Margaret Picke or Margaret Pilkington became a moot point. It's not even proven beyond question that his father's name was Richard. I eventually satisfied myself that no one is certain who his parents were and any parents connected to him on Geni are speculative and just give false pathways. I'm certainly open to the possibility of proof becoming available and my mind changing, but that's where I'm at with it for now.

I just checked in and see that the speculative parentage for Rev. Thomas have been removed. So the initial issue I raised about that yesterday has been resolved.

Rev. Dr. Thomas Harrison, D.D.

4/24/2021 at 11:02 AM

I had had Rowland Harrison as Rev Thomas’s father - I’m not nearly finished with obvious corrections. So your “false pathways” may come back.

Margaret Harrison - I’m working on cleaning it up.

http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~hwbradley/genealogy/aqwg61.htm#7151

Hal Bradley is an excellent compiler.

4/24/2021 at 11:06 AM

We all follow that there were 2 different Richard Harrison’s, one married Margaret Pilkington Margaret Harrison the other Margaret Harrison neither have anything to do with Isaiah Harrison or Rev. Dr. Thomas Harrison, D.D. .

4/24/2021 at 11:06 AM

Debbie Gambrell I interviewed with Ancestry's Pro Genealogy Team last Octoberish... This is the team that individuals hire and pay a lot of money to have their genealogy research done. Find-A-Grave is owned by Ancestry.com. In the interview I was told unless there is a primary source that can be attached to Find-A-Grave, the pro-genealogist team doesn't even use it, nor do they use all the uploaded data from everyone and their brother in the array of completely messed up family trees. They start from scratch, look for the primary source documents in their datafiles and attach. Thoir work is never made public because they are paid by clients to do this. Yes, the documents are in the database if you have an account with Ancestry but as they stated, they do not even look at those messed up trees because so many people have the wrong child with a parent and don't pay attention to dates, places, etc... and the same goes with Find-A-Grave.

I am constantly sending in primary sources and corrections to Find-A-Grave.

House of Harrison's - https://archive.org/details/houseofharrison00murp/page/n1/mode/2up

Harrison DNA Project
http://harrison.jhamedia.com/pats.html

4/24/2021 at 11:14 AM

Yes, Diana Raquel Sainz Wilson you had already stated all that I had already responded agreeing that Find-a-Grave is as prone to error as any other public / collaborative site. I'm not new to research and have worked with Erica many times. That said, not everything on Find-a-Grave is wrong and my references to them regarding these connections have referred to sited sources like the book that is used as a reference on the link you keep sharing: http://harrison.jhamedia.com/pats.html. I saw that on Find-a-Grave before you shared the other link. They're using the same reference and saying the same thing.

4/24/2021 at 11:15 AM

cited, not sited. I really should proof read before posting!

4/24/2021 at 11:23 AM
4/24/2021 at 11:35 AM

Debbie Gambrell My apologies for duplicate information. There are about 4 discussions on the Harrison's whether it be Margaret Pilkington, Richard The Immigrant, Reverend Thomas Harrison, Margaret Picke, or Isaiah...

It was not my intention to be repetitive, I am just trying to keep up with all of the discussions since the Harrison's are my direct line as well. Nor did I say everything on Find-A-Grave is wrong. I also send a tremendous amount daily to them correcting information and or adding information and much of it is just fine, my point was, don't rely on it as a primary source unless it matches up with everything you have. Wikitree, Rootsweb, geneanet, Find your Past, all of them are individual people creating accounts and putting their trees and what they believe to be correct in the database of those sites. I have found my own direct family, cousins, aunts, uncles, that have accounts and put in the wrong information when it's actual current or with in the past 40 years... Example, my brother was killed in a car accident in Spain where he lived in 1996. I had his body shipped to the states for my mother even though we are from Spain. Everyone of those people that had his information in wrong, were at the funeral, they were at our homes, they are direct family members and they still got it wrong..... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Anyhow, my apologies if I double posted of various feeds, or even this one. Many people do not read pages and pages of postings. They just look at the last few.

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4/24/2021 at 11:43 AM

Including me! Also, I read & re read.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Harrison-75 Profile notes

Wikipedia:Thomas_Harrison_(minister) wrong parents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Harrison_%28minister%29

They are not wrong. We have Robert as his father at college matriculation & also lists his wives in the Cambridge Alumni database.

Most of the rest of the profile seems good however. :)

4/24/2021 at 11:54 AM

Erica Howton As you know even Wikipedia is not always right. Many pages are created by someone who thinks a Wikipage should be made, There is one on my father that someone started and then sent me the information to enter his biography and historical stuff that he did when he was alive. That will take another 3 years to complete.

I could go in and say Mickey Mouse was his father and there, it is set in stone and on Wikipedia so it must be true.

Wikipedia is always asking for donations to keep the site going and they links where to send corrections and sources to prove your corrections. BUT... YES, I am a wikipedia user and just as guilty as the next.

4/24/2021 at 12:16 PM

Diana Raquel Sainz Wilson yes, it has been a lengthy discussion to wade through. lol No worries. Just didn't want you thinking I'm totally green about research and unaware of the things you were stating.

I've found errors on Wikipedia before as well and made a few corrections. I do find their pages, in general, more reliable than Wiki and Find-a-Grave though. I like to check some of the sources provided when possible and in this case if not for the screenshot Erica got from the Cambridge database, I'd be concerned about the accuracy of Robert as the father since those source links didn't work for me. If that screenshot is from the Cambridge database, I'd think they did their research. Still, I've even seen errors in DAR records, have one such error on one of my ancestors where they name they swear is right is not what is on the ancestor's grave or her husband's memorial monument. So even historical group can make mistakes.

4/24/2021 at 12:44 PM

Debbie Gambrell No worries, I could tell you were not "Green" to this or genealogy in general, it is obvious you definitely are not new to this, my input mainly was sharing my experience since I actually interviewed with them (Ancestry) and asked them straight out why they have so much incorrect information on their sites. hahahahha, YES, I was blunt and YES, I asked that in the interview.

Aside from the fact that the position did not pay enough for me to move to the otherside of the country to possibly find out that I did not like working with them especially during COVID, only to have to quit and find myself on the next season of "Sister Wives" to support myself. (I mean that with no disrespect to those that prefer that life style and or belief), The job was offered to someone in the area. The pay was probably great for a college student. But I would not have been able to accept it even if it had been offered. Nevertheless, I found it interesting that the pro-team actually agreed with me. I don't think my question went so well with the higher level interview... hahaha... Oh well.

And yes even the DAR record are wrong. I get human error, but really, somethings are no brainers.

I will say that I am working on one tree. Of course the one profile is Irish and I come to a halt at 1830. Either the census takers did not listen, someone did not know his age or he lied about his age until the end.
The obituary states he was 78, making him have born in 1830 since he died in 1908. Some census records state 1834, some 1836, some 1842. His gravestone state 1839. I found his immigration papers. He came in 1836. He is quite a historical figure as he disguised himself as an indian to get through the battle line at the battle of Little Big Horn. He was released from service in 1872 and returned to North Carolina, but when Custer called upon the 7th calvary to fight the indians, he went. Some try to discredit his story due to the fact that his release was in 1872 and the battle was in 1876.
His eldest son was born in 1875, there is a 5 year gap between the oldest and the slew of children that were spit out back to back from 1880 on... (He is my son-in-laws Great Great Great Grandfather) They have the documents to prove his claim as one of the only survivors of that battle. It's interesting. Nevertheless, my point after writing another novel is that even census records are inconsistent but important.

Back to the Harrison's, I feel like I have been working on them since I found out that my biological grandfather was a Harrison and is not a Wilson as my legal name indicates.... There are so many of them and they all named their children after one another, they married sisters if one died, or brothers, I am happy to help, and hopefully the Harrison DNA project link I posted helps identify a correct path. And the old book from the LDS Church, The House of Harrison's, is also quite interesting.

4/24/2021 at 1:02 PM

Diana Raquel Sainz Wilson we definitely needed someone else to join the discussion, so I'm grateful you did. I love Erica to pieces. She's amazing and has been so helpful more times than I can count. But I'm afraid I was getting on her last nerve with all this last night, so another voice was surely welcomed by her as well, I feel certain. Researching these connections is new to me, but it's a road Erica had already been down before. I keep telling her I'm getting too old for this but she keeps encouraging me to keep asking my questions, etc. I'm sure one day she'll finally say, "Yep, Debbie, time for you to take up knitting." lol

4/27/2021 at 10:37 AM

Debbie Gambrell Thank you. I am happy to help. Especially because it does also include my Harrison line. :) We will figure them out no matter how hard they have tried to confuse us.

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