Sir? Hervey Walter, (III?), of West Dereham and "of Weeton"

Hervey (or Herveus) Walter, of Amounderness in Lancashire and of Suffolk, son of Hervey Walter and Walter de Caen's daughter, married Maud, also known as Matilda, the daughter and coheir of Theobald de Valoines/Valognes.

Their marriage took place in 1179 at Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England. [See Discrepancies below.]

Maud's sister, Bertha (Berta), another de Valoines coheir, married Randulf/Ranulf de Glanville, justiciary of England.[2] [3]

Hervey and Maud had sons:

1. Theobald FitzWalter, heir, first Butler of Ireland, took the last name of Butler from his hereditary role of Butler;[2] [3]
2. Hubert, dean of York, bishop of Salisbury, archbishop of Canterbury, baron of the Exchequer;[2] [3]
3. Walter
4. Roger Fitzwalter
5. Hamon

Hervius Walter, sometimes called Henry, continued the name of Walter, as did his descendants down to Edmond, Earl of Carrick. Edmond dropped the surname because with his title of Earl the Christian name only was to be used with the title. He married Maud, eldest daughter of Theobald de Valoins, and had 5 sons: Theobald, the first Butler of Ireland, Hubert, Walter, Roger and Hamon.

(Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 945)

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walter-2537 Shows dates as born before 1130 in Lancashire, England - Died 1189 in West Dereham, Norfolk, England, and notes discrepancies.

Notes

• ~Boyer's Medieval English ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 47, married to Maud de Valoignes, daughter and coheiress of Theobald de Valoignes, here sister was the wife of Ranulph de Glandwille, a great justicaiar. 721
• ~The Norman People and Their Existing Descendants . . ., p. 53, Herveius Walter, father of Theobald, during the reign of Henry II (1154-1189), was a considerable benefactor to Butley Priory in Suffolk. [Mon. Angl. ii. p. 245] 780 source: http://cybergata.com/roots/3961.htm

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Father Hervey Walter

Hervey Walter died at of West Dereham, Norfolk, England. He was born at of Amounderness, Lancashire, England. He married Maud de Valoignes, daughter of Theobald de Valoignes, Lord Parham.

Family

Maud de Valoignes

Children

   * Hubert FitzWalter, Archbishop of Canterbury d. 1205

   * Roger FitzWalter

   * Hamo FitzWalter

   * Walter FitzWalter

   * Theobald FitzWalter, Sheriff of Lancashire, Lord Preston+ b. c 1160, d. a 4 Aug 1205

Citations

  1. [S1484] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 447; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 1909; Stemmata Robertson, p. 216.

Maud de Valoignes1

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Father Theobald de Valoignes, Lord Parham

Charts Descendants of Charlemagne

    Maud de Valoignes married Hervey Walter, son of Hervey Walter. Maud de Valoignes was born at of Parham, Suffolk, England.

Family

Hervey Walter

Children

   * Hubert FitzWalter, Archbishop of Canterbury d. 1205

   * Roger FitzWalter

   * Hamo FitzWalter

   * Walter FitzWalter

   * Theobald FitzWalter, Sheriff of Lancashire, Lord Preston+ b. c 1160, d. a 4 Aug 1205

Citations

  1. [S1485] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. II, p. 447; Burke's Peerage, 1938, p. 1909.

Born in West Dereham, Norfolk, England, son of Herverus, who came over with William the Conquerer in 1066.

Notes

• ~Boyer's Medieval English ancestors of Robert Abell, p. 47, married to Maud de Valoignes, daughter and coheiress of Theobald de Valoignes, here sister was the wife of Ranulph de Glandwille, a great justicaiar.
• ~The Normand People and Their Existing Descendants . . ., p. 53, Herveius Walter, father of Theobald, during the reign of Henry II (1154-1189), was a considerable benefactor to Butley Priory in Suffolk. [Mon. Angl. ii. p. 245]

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careful - generational mixups.

• Walter married Maud, eldest daughter of Theobald de Valois. Their children were:

1. Theobald who married Maud, daughter of Robert le Vavasor. Their child was Theobald who married Maud, sister of Thomas A. Becket. He was sheriff of Lancashire 1195 59 1199. In 1177, he was made Chief Butler of Ireland by Henry II, when he assumed the official surname Pincerna. In 1221, he first assumed the name of Boteler, or Butler, and from him descended the Butlers, Earls of Ormand.
2. Hubert, no further record
3. Walter, no further record
4. Roger, no further record
5. Hamo Pincerna, married Maud, daughter of Richard Bussel, second Baron of Penwortham in Lancashire.

~The Houghton Genealogy, p. 20

Links

• http://cybergata.com/roots/3961.htm

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Notes for Hervey Walter Butler: The ancestors of the Butlers came from Normandy to England with William the Conquerer. Their original name was Walter, from Walter, one of their ancestors; and Theobald Walter came to Ireland with Henry the Second in 1172 and had the office of Chief Butler of Ireland conferred on him, the duty attached to which was to attend the coronation of the Kings of England and present them with the first cup of wine. From the office of "Butlership of Irleand," they took the name butler. Note: The preceding information and the first 20 generations of Butlers is taken from research done by Betty Moss Morrow of Teague, Texas. Note: Heney Walter (or Heneus Walteri) is the first listed ancestor in her account.

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Whether his wife was Walter de Caen's daughter or Thomas Becket's aunt or someone else, Hervey was succeeded by his son Hervey Walter, whose marriage was of considerable consequence to the family that was taking root. For his wife was Maud de Valognes, sister in law of Ranulph de Glanville, the most powerful of all Henry II's subjects; and Ranulph, who took an avuncular interest in the upbringing of Maud's children, so advanced them that even by the end of the 12th century the family tree was no mean sapling.

At least one of those children, Hubert Walter, was outstanding. Contemporary records give us some idea of him: he was tall and stately, not exactly gifted with the eloquence of one who had kissed the Blarney Stone and perhaps a bit too attentive to idle rumours, but loyal, resolute, witty and wary and wise withal. ose he is commonly remembered as having been mainly instumental in raising the enormous ransom demanded by the Emperor Henry VI for Richard Couer de Lion. But Hubert had other claims to fame: he governed England ably and far better than King Richard would have done; he even laid some of the foundations of democracy as we know it. He enriched the See of Canterbury, he founded monasteries, he was learned in the law and altogether his achievements were legion; but above all, he was immensely prudent and immensely powerful. His prudence is best illustrated by the fact that, without surrendering any of his integrity, he managed to enjoy and retain the confidence of Henry II, Richard I, and John--three kings of widely contrasting characters and predilections.

As to his power and prestige: Hubert had been Bishop of Salisbury and had accompanied Richard on the Third Crusade; he was then Primate, Chief Justiciar, Papal Legate and Chancellor--a sort of Pooh-Bah of his day--and when Hubert died in 1205, John paid him the oblique compliment: "Now for the first time am I King of England". That was what led to Magna Carta ten years later. [Butler Family History]

from the 1911 version of the Encyclopedia Britannica:

Note:

Hervey Walter, son of this Hervey, advanced his family by matching with Maude, daughter of Theobald de Valognes, lord of Parham, whose sister Bertha was wife of Ranuif de Glanville, the great justiciar, "the eye of the king." When Ranulf had founded the Austin Canons priory of Butley, Hervey Walter, his wife's brother-in-law, gave to the house lands in Wingfield for the soul's health of himself and his wife Maude, of Ranulf de Glanville and Bertha his wife, the charter, still preserved in the Harleian collection, being witnessed by Hervey's younger sons, Hubert Walter, Roger and Hamon.

Butler Family History, 7th Edition 1991, by Lord Dunboyne, Kilkenny Castle Book Shop

References

• http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/f/o/s/John-Cantzon-Foste...
• https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Walter-2537
• Farrer, William & Brownbill, J. The Victoria History of the County of Lancaster (Archibald Constable and Co. Limited, London, 1906) Vol. 1, Page 351 Archive.Org
• https://wc.rootsweb.com/trees/162642/I04021/hervey-walter/individual