Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford - DATES OF ROBERT AND HIS WIFE QUESTIONABLE

Started by Ann Farley on Wednesday, February 27, 2013
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2/27/2013 at 5:47 AM

Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford MP
Place of Burial: Salisbury Cathedral, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
Birth: 1431 Farleigh-Hungerford, Somersetshire, England
Death: May 18, 1464 (33) Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, (executed)

HIS SON ….
Thomas Hungerford, of Rowden MP
Place of Burial: Farleigh Hungerford, Somersetshire, England
Birth: circa 1437 Farleigh, Berkshire, , England
Death: circa January 17, 1469 (32) Salisbury, Wiltshire, (executed)

ROBERT B 1431 SIX YEARS OLD WHEN HE BECAME A FATHER OF THOMAS B 1437

HIS DAUGHTER…. HE WAS FATHER OF HER WHEN FIVE YEARS OLD!
Alice Eleanor de Hungerford
Birth: circa June 11, 1436
Death: circa 1457 (21)

2/27/2013 at 6:02 AM

Looking around the websites ...
Obviously the data on geni was blindly copied off a website called
http://helenesgenes.com/Hungerford.html#ro2
very inaccurate DATES!!!

2/27/2013 at 6:27 AM

have found something closer
Baron Walter Hungerford - was born on 22 Jun 1378, lived in Farleigh and died on 9 Aug 1449 in Salisbury C-Dral . He was the son of Thomas Hungerford and Joan Hussey.
Baron Walter married #Ketherine Peverell before 18 Sep 1402. Ketherine was born about 1380, lived in Park,Hamatethy,Penhale,Cornwall,England. She was the daughter of Thomas Peverell and Margaret de Courtenay. She died after 14 Jun 1426 .

Children: Robert Hungerford was born in 1380 in Somerset, England and died on 18 May 1459 and was buried in Salisbury Cathedral #Robert Hungerford - was born in 1380 in Somerset, England and died on 18 May 1459 and was buried in Salisbury Cathedral . He was the son of Baron Walter Hungerford and Ketherine Peverell.
Robert married #Margaret Botreaux about 1408 in Farley, Somerset, England. Margaret was born about 1380.
She is the daughter of William Botreaux and Elizabeth Cecilia Beaumont.

Robert - was called to parliament as a baron; he was very wealthy, both his mother and his wife being heiresses. Like several other members of the ‘family,

Found this on another website but the dates appear a little more accurate.

2/27/2013 at 6:33 AM

Just to make things a little clearer too. Farley Castle became known as Farley-Hungerford Castle. It is situate in Somerset England and a village obviously sprung around the castle and is now known as "Farleigh". There is no place in Berkshire, England that is relevant called Farley. The Hungerfords did live in Berkshire but the village was called Hungerford.

2/27/2013 at 6:36 AM

The dates I put forward as more accurate alternatives, I found in the website as follows ....
http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/de-hungerford.htm#name6512

2/27/2013 at 11:29 AM

Ann
I wouldn't say they were copied from helenesgenes.com, these dates are listed on his Wikipedia Profile, now whether who entered the information on Wiki copied the information from this site is another question.

thepeerage.com has his date listed as 1428 which would still put him as probably being to young to have a son born in 1437, of course it does not list a birth date for his wife Eleanor or their son Thomas.

But there is a problem with your referencing of "Baron Walter Hungerford - was born on 22 Jun 1378, .... married #Ketherine Peverell before 18 Sep 1402. Ketherine was born about 1380, .... Children: Robert Hungerford was born in 1380 in Somerset, England and died on 18 May 1459"

If Walter Hungerford was born 1378 and Katherine Peverell was born 1380 they could not possibly have had the son Robert born in 1380.

Thank you for trying to find some good dating for these Profiles, it's not easy to put a finger on a correct date that would line up with the connected relationships. I agree that the dates should be looked into.

2/28/2013 at 11:13 AM

Hi Carole, Just trying to help. Obviously there is something terribly wrong and I was attempting to enter this data in my personal family tree on my pc as I am directly related. Someone needs to investigate, I agree.

3/3/2013 at 12:36 AM

I have been searching the www and found Robert III Hungerford born Farley Castle 1431 d 18 May 1464 Newcastle.

Robert Hungerford - was born in 1380 in Somerset, England and died on 18 May 1459 and was buried in Salisbury Cathedral . He was the son of Baron Walter Hungerford and Ketherine Peverell.
Robert married #Margaret Botreaux about 1408 in Farley, Somerset, England. Margaret was born about 1380. She is the daughter of William Botreaux and Elizabeth Cecilia Beaumont.

Robert - was called to parliament as a baron; he was very wealthy, both his mother and his wife being heiresses. Like several other members of the ‘family,

Lord Robert Hungerford - was born in 1404 in Farley, Somerset, England and died on 18 May 1464 in Newcastle, Northumberland, England. He was the son of Robert Hungerford and Margaret Botreaux.
Lord Robert married Eleanor de Moleyns in 1425 in Somerset, England. Eleanor was born in 1406. She was the daughter of Sir William de Moleyns and Ann Whalesborough. She died in 1476

Robert Hungerford
b.1409 Farley, Hungerford, Somersetshire, England; s/o Walter and Katherine (Peverell) Hungerford
d.May 18, 1459 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
bur.Salisbury Cathredral, Wiltshire, England
m.abt.1439 Somerset, England; Margaret Botreaux
b.abt.1410 Farleigh-Hungerford, Somersetshire, England; s/o William and Elizabeth (Beaumont) Botreaux
d.Feb. 7, 1477 Heytesbury, Wiltshire, England
bur.Salisbury Cathredral, Wiltshire, England
CHILDREN (all born Farleigh-Hungerford, Somerset, England) included:
Walter Hungerford b.abt.1428 d.Feb. 18, 1432/33
Arnolph Hungerford b.abt.1430
Robert Hungerford b.1431 d.May 18, 1464
William Hungerford b.abt.1431
Mary Hungerford b.abt.1432
Philippa Hungerford b.abt.1433
Catherine Hungerford b.abt.1438 d.May 12, 1493 m.June 1451 Richard de West

I have no time to correct anything myself and it is not my job to interfere..

Ann
Thank you for searching for information.
I have changed Thomas' birth date from circa 1437 to circa 1444, if his father was born in 1431, married at an early age, it may be possible for him to have been born when his father Robert was 13. Thomas is referenced as the eldest son, dates for the other children will need to be updated, Alice's birth is listed as circa 1436.

3/3/2013 at 2:24 AM

There is an awful lot, especially by Wikipedia Carole...
Robert Hungerford, 2nd Baron Hungerford (1409–1459), the second but eldest surviving son of Walter Hungerford, 1st Baron Hungerford, served in the Hundred Years' War, and was summoned to parliament as Baron Hungerford from 5 September 1450 to 26 May 1455. He died 14 May 1459, and in accordance with his will was buried in Salisbury Cathedral. He was succeeded by his son Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford (1431–1464).
His mother (Catherine Peverell) and his wife Margaret, the wealthy heiress of William de Botreaux, 3rd Baron Botreaux, added to the landed property of his family in Cornwall. His wife lived until 7 February 1478, surviving all her descendants, excepting a great-granddaughter, Mary Hastings, 4th Baroness Hungerford. Her will, dated 8 August 1476, is printed in Nicholas Harris Nicolas's Testamenta Vetusta, and in Hoare's "Modern Wiltshire, Hundred of Heytesbury. A list of the heavy expenses she incurred in ransoming her son Robert appears in William Dugdale's Baronage

References
Lee, Sidney Dictionary of National Biography (1885–1900) Volume 28, p. 259
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hungerford,_2nd_Baron_Hungerford

Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford (1431–1464) was son and heir of Robert Hungerford, 2nd Baron Hungerford, and was grandson of Walter Hungerford, 1st Baron Hungerford (d. 1449). He supported the Lancastrians cause in the War of the Roses. In the late 1440s and early 1450s he was a member of successive parliaments. He was a prisoner of the French for much of the 1450s until his mother arranged a payment of a 7,966l ransom. In 1460 after successive defeats on the battlefield he fled with Henry VI to Scotland. In 1461 he was attainted in Edward IV's first parliament, and executed in Newcastle soon after he was captured at the Battle of Hexham.

Hungerford was summoned to parliament as Baron Moleyns in 1445, sui uxoris, Alianore or Eleanor, the great-great-granddaughter of John, baron de Molines or Moleyns (d. 1371). Hungerford received a like summons till 1453.
Dispute with John Paston
In 1448 Hungerford began a fierce quarrel with John Paston regarding the ownership of the manor of Gresham in Norfolk. Hungerford, acting on the advice of John Heydon, a solicitor of Baconsthorpe, took forcible possession of the estate on 17 February 1448. William Waynflete, bishop of Winchester, made a vain attempt at arbitration. Paston obtained repossession, but on 28 January 1450 Hungerford sent a thousand men to dislodge him. After threatening to kill Paston, who was absent, Hungerford's adherents violently assaulted Paston's wife Margaret, but Hungerford finally had to surrender the manor to Paston.

In 1452 Hungerford accompanied John Talbot, 2nd Earl of Shrewsbury, to Aquitaine, and was taken prisoner while endeavouring to raise the siege of Chastillon. His ransom was fixed at 7,966l., and his mother sold her plate and mortgaged her estates to raise the money. His release was effected in 1459, after seven years and four months' imprisonment. In consideration of his misfortunes he was granted, in the year of his return to England, license to export fifteen hundred sacks of wool to foreign ports without paying duty, and received permission to travel abroad. He thereupon visited Florence.

3/3/2013 at 2:27 AM

A little more I gleaned about my direct ancestors....
Hungerford married at a very early age (about 1441) Alianore or Eleanor (b. 1425), daughter and heiress of Sir William de Molines or Moleyns (d. 1428). They had two children:

Thomas Hungerford of Rowden
Walter Hungerford of Farleigh

Eleanor, Baroness Moleyns, survived her husband and subsequently married Sir Oliver de Manningham.
She was buried at Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire.

Attribibution
"Robert Hungerford". Dictionary of National Biography. London: Smith, Elder & Co. 1885–1900.
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Taken from … http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hungerford,_3rd_Baron_Hungerford

Sir Walter Hungerford of Farleigh (died 1516) fought for Henry VII at the Battle of Bosworth Field. He served on the Privy Council for both Henry VII and Henry VIII.
Biography
Walter Hungerford was the youngest son of Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford and Eleanor. He was M.P. for Wiltshire in 1477, and, as a partisan in earlier days of the house of Lancaster, obtained a general pardon from Richard III on his accession in 1483. He was, nevertheless, arrested by Richard on the landing of the Earl of Richmond in 1485, but escaped from custody, and joined Richmond's army. At the battle of Bosworth he slew, in hand-to-hand combat, Sir Robert Brackenbury, lieutenant of the Tower of London, under whose command he had previously served, and was knighted by Henry VII on the battlefield.
Farleigh Castle and some other of the forfeited family estates, though not the family honours, were restored to him, and he was made a member of the Privy Council. In February 1487 he was sent on a diplomatic mission to Rome, and executed a will before his departure (Materials for the Reign of Henry VII, Rolls Ser. ii. 122-4). In 1497 he assisted in quelling Perkin Warbeck's rising. In 1503 he went in the retinue of Henry VII's queen to attend the marriage of the Princess Margaret with the king of Scotland.
After the accession of Henry VIII he continued a member of the privy council, and, dying in 1516, was buried at Farleigh. His wife was Jane, daughter of Sir William Bulstrode, and his only son Edward was father of Walter, lord Hungerford (1503–1540).

Attribibution
This article incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Lee, Sidney (1891). "Hungerford, Robert". In Sidney Lee. Dictionary of National Biography. 28. London: Smith, Elder & Co. pp. 256, 257.
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Hungerford_of_Farleigh
BROTHER
Sir Thomas Hungerford of Rowden (died 1469), the eldest son of Robert Hungerford, 3rd Baron Hungerford, lived chiefly at Rowden, near Chippenham. After giving some support to Edward IV and the Yorkists he joined in Warwick's conspiracy to restore Henry VI in 1469, was attainted, and was executed at Salisbury. He was buried in the chapel of Farleigh Castle.
Sir Thomas married Anne, daughter of Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, who married two husbands after his death—Sir Lawrence Raynesford and Sir Hugh Vaughan—and, dying on 5 July 1522, was buried in St. Margaret's Church, Westminster.
Sir Thomas left by Anne an only child, Mary, 4th Baroness Hungerford, who became the ward of William, Lord Hastings, and in 1480 married Sir Edward (afterwards Lord) Hastings, her guardian's son. The attainders on her father and grandfather were reversed in her favour in 1485, and her husband was summoned to Parliament as Lord Hungerford. George Hastings, 1st Earl of Huntingdon, was her son

Margaret Hungerford, 4th Baroness Botreaux (d. Barons Botreaux (1368):
Baron Botreaux (pronounced "But'ry")[1] is a title in the Peerage of England. It was created by writ of summons in 1368 by Edward III for William de Botreaux, 1st Baron Botreaux.
In 1462, Margaret de Botreaux, 4th Baroness Botreaux, the 3rd Baron's daughter, inherited the title. She outlived both her son and grandson, so the title passed on her death to her great-granddaughter Mary Hungerford, as 5th Baroness Botreaux. Mary Hungerford married William Hastings, 1st Baron Hastings in about 1478, and their son George was created Earl of Huntingdon in 1529.
From the death of the 5th Baroness in around 1532, the title remained with the Earls of Huntingdon for 214 years. In 1746 the 9th Earl of Huntingdon died and it passed to his daughter, Elizabeth Rawdon as 16th Baroness Botreaux. Elizabeth Rawdon married John Rawdon, 1st Earl of Moira, and their son Francis was created Marquess of Hastings in 1817.
From the death of the 16th Baroness in 1808, the title remained with the Marquesses of Hastings until 1844, when it became abeyant on the death of the 4th Marquess.

3/3/2013 at 2:28 AM

Wars of the Roses
In 1460 Hungerford was home again, and took a leading part on the Lancastrian side in the Wars of the Roses. In June 1460 he retired with Lord Scales and other of his friends to the Tower of London, on the entry of the Earl of Warwick and his Kentish followers into the city; but after the defeat of the Lancastrians at the battle of Northampton (10 July 1460), Hungerford and his friends surrendered the Tower to the Yorkists on the condition that he and Lord Scales should depart free,[2]
After taking part in the battle of Towton (29 March 1461)—a further defeat for the Lancastrians—Hungerford fled with Henry VI to York, and thence into Scotland. He visited France in the summer to obtain help for Henry and Margaret, and was arrested by the French authorities in August 1461. Writing to Margaret at the time from Dieppe, he begged her not to lose heart.[3] He was attainded in Edward IV's first parliament in November 1461. He afterward met with some success in his efforts to rally the Lancastrians in the north of England, but was taken prisoner at the Battle of Hexham on 15 May 1464, and was executed at Newcastle. He was buried in Salisbury Cathedral. On 5 August 1460 many of his lands were granted to Richard, Duke of Gloucester (afterward Richard III). Other portions of his property were given to Lord Wenlock, who was directed by Edward IV to make provision for Hungerford's wife and young children

Hungerford married at a very early age (about 1441) Alianore or Eleanor (b. 1425), daughter and heiress of Sir William de Molines or Moleyns (d. 1428). They had two children:

Thomas Hungerford of Rowden
Walter Hungerford of Farleigh

Eleanor, Baroness Moleyns, survived her husband and subsequently married Sir Oliver de Manningham.
She was buried at Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire.

Attribibution
"Robert Hungerford". Dictionary of National Biography. London: Smith, Elder & Co. 1885–1900.

3/3/2013 at 2:30 AM

Hope someone younger can sort out all the data into the relevant profiles. I am in my 80th year and time is running short. :)

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