Bradley Kent Sydnor added this profile to GENi on 27 April 2008. There are 17 managers.
Kristin VanNest Kristin Felicia VanNest posted in a message to all managers
<- his father was not Patrick..it was Robert. (I found quite a few accounts to this fact) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Fleming,_1st_Earl_of_Wigtown it needs to be rectified..
THIS is his mother...http://www.geni.com/people/Joan-de-Fleming-Douglas/6000000...
and THIS is his father! Sir Robert Fleming of Lenzie...
the 2 you have there are INCORRECT
Sir Malcolm Fleming, Earl of Wigtown>
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Before we start changing things and get hot under the collar we need to calmly get to the bottom of this - as is often the case there are NO sources on this profile. If the information on GENi is not correct then it needs to be fixed. This discussion has been set up to find some answers.
Interesting point - all 3 of the confirmed matches have the parents as Patrick Fleming and Joanna Fraser.
In search of answers - throwing into the melting pot!!! for references etc.
- http://www.electricscotland.com/history/nation/fleming.htm
- http://archive.org/stream/scotspeeragefoun02pauluoft/scotspeeragefo...
- http://www.cracroftspeerage.co.uk/online/content/index1615.htm?zoom...
- http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p120.htm#i...
What about to visit the local Archive concerning Joanna Fraser later Patrick /Lady circa. 1288. Maybe I have the information some place in my MINI -Library ,but I cannot find it just now, sorry. After all Lady Joanna Fraser (Patrick ) was preferably her biology Mother .
I am from Ejde the Faroe Islands and not Local citizens in GB yet so I will hold me awaiting until the Result about Malcolm. Malcolm is Magnus on English Language. Regards: Magnus or Malcolm.
then I found these:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=macla...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Fleming,_1st_Earl_of_Wigtown
http://fabpedigree.com/s030/f337540.htm
and yes there are a few malcoms and patricks in the line too
http://www.garrettfamily.info/family-history/bates/The-Bates-Flemin...
Possibly worth exploring further (see extract below) - maybe worth contacting them to see what their source was. Parents of Sir Malcolm b 1312 here are Sir Patrick and Joan Fraser - as it is on GENi.
I am beginning to think that what has happened is that this Malcolm has been given the title of 1st Earl of Wigtown, when in fact that title belongs to his uncle? In which case Sir Malcolm Fleming, 1st Earl of Wigtown should be 1st Earl of Wigmore, in which case the parents are in keeping with what Kristin was saying?
Kevin Lawrence Hanit - what do you think?
1st Generation of Flemings
1. Robert (of Cumbernauld) FLEMING.
Children of Robert (of Cumbernauld) FLEMING and (unknown):
i. 2. Sir Patrick FLEMING was born in about 1286 in Biggar & Cumbernauld, Lanark, Scotland.
ii. 3. Sir Malcolm (1st Earl of Wigtown) Fleming was born 1290 in Fulwood and Cumbernauld, and died 1314.
2nd Generation (Children) of Flemings
2. Sir Patrick FLEMING was born in about 1286 in Biggar & Cumbernauld, Lanark, Scotland. He married Joan Fraser. She was born in about 1290 in Biggar & Cumbernauld, Lanark, Scotland.
Children of Sir Patrick FLEMING and Joan Fraser:
i. 4. Malcolm FLEMING was born in about 1312 in Biggar & Cumbernauld, Lanark, Scotland.
3. Sir Malcolm (1st Earl of Wigtown) Fleming was born 1290 in Fulwood and Cumbernauld, and died 1314. He married Marjory MNU.