Hersz Getzel Warmwasser - Name question

Private User

2/21/2021 at 5:19 PM

I'm watching the Barbara Walters "Finding Your Roots" episode right now, and it says his name was Tzvi Getzel Waremwasser. We're showing Hersz Getzel Warmwasser.

The discrepancy in the surname is normal enough, but are Tzvi and Hersz interchangeable?

Here's info from the "Finding Your Roots" book: https://books.google.com/books?id=IDVcBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA50&lpg=...

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

2/23/2021 at 8:04 PM

Good question, Private User. I really don't know so I googled it.

According to this source, "Tzvi; its Yiddish calque Hersh". Hersh is very close to Hersz. But are they the same?

https://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/givennames/slide47.html

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

2/23/2021 at 8:06 PM

AKA, Zwi is also on the profile.

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

2/23/2021 at 8:14 PM

On a different site I found this, "I was under the impression that Hirsch meant "deer" which would be a translation of Tzvi, the name that often goes with Naftali"
http://www.genami.org/en/culture/origin-of-jewish-names.php

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

2/23/2021 at 8:15 PM

https://www.kveller.com/jewish-baby-name/tzvi/

Private User

2/23/2021 at 11:31 PM

Thanks for replying, Linda!

I guess it comes down to which form(s) he personally used. In the episode, they say the documentation trail says "Tzvi" -- but if there's a source for "Hersz," we should include both names. Can we figure out where the "Hersz" comes from?

It looks like Ron Abiri added the "Hersz," so maybe he remembers the source.

Linda Kathleen Thompson, (c) C

2/24/2021 at 5:08 PM

Since this is out of my area of versions of names, I'm fine with whichever name is used for him.

Hopefully Ron Abiriwill know.

Ron Abiri C

3/28/2022 at 11:27 PM

Hi, sorry for seeing it only now. The "standard" way of writing the name Hersch/Hertz/Zwi/Zvi/Tsvi differs from source to source. the most common one in Poland record pre WWII is Hertz (pronounced Hersch)

Other forms are: Gertz (Russina influence), Hertzek, Hertzel, Hertzlik and more

Roni

Ron Abiri C

3/28/2022 at 11:30 PM

and the source is from the birth record of his son WARMWASSER Berek Ruwen , 1863 B # 83 from Zgierz

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