Moshe of Kletzk - Seems Connected

Started by Private User on Wednesday, April 13, 2022
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Not the same.

Great, thanks.

According to the Yizkor of Novogrudok:

"Reb Dovid was appointed a rabbi at the age of 25 years in 1798. He become renowned in the world as one of the greatest goanim (geniuses), the mechaber (author) of the famous book Sefer “Gallia Maseches” in two parts, of which one is “Sheiles ve Tsuves” (response) and the second is “Drush and Hespeidim” (exegesis and eulogies). Among the last can be found the following Hespeidim (eulogies): about his father-in-law Hare Reb Eliezer from Brestovic and his brother-in-law Reb Elijahu..." https://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/Novogrudok/nov025.html

If this is correct, then R' Dovid ben Moshe has brother-in-law R' Eliahu. As I understand the concept of brother-in-law, Eliahu has to be the husband of the sister, whose name is not known, of R' David of Novarodok ben Moshe.

Eliyohu was R' Dovid's wife's brother, as I've done it.

Here's the source - https://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=670&st=&pgnum=285

I don't read Hebrew fast enough to find the information in your reference, so I trust the text defines whether Eliahu is the brother of David's spouse or the husband of David's sister.

Chemerinsky (Rabin) family in Novogrudok. The 1st wife of Rabbi David was Tsyrka.

Thanks Victor Finogenov

I've updated the profiles.

Victor Finogenov Thanks for introducing the surname Chemerinsky to the discussion. Your data prompted me to search the civil records of Novogrudok for more information about the family. I discovered that R' David Chemerinsky had a second spouse, Khanna.

There are two records showing the first spouse (Tsyrka or Tsipke):

Revision List of 1811:
1) NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk TSEMERINSKIY David Movsha Head of household M3642 Rabbi 8November1811 revision list148 FHL2010472250NHABMinsk/333/9/25517
TSEMERINSKIY Tsyrka ‑ Wife F3036 revision list148 FHL2010472250NHABMinsk/333/9/25517
TSEMERINSKIY Freyda David Daughter F12- Moved out revision list148 FHL2010472250NHABMinsk/333/9/25517

Revision List of 1816:
2) NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk CHEMERINSKIY [Rabin] David Movsha Head of household M4247 8July1816 revision list122 FHL2010470722NHABMinsk/333/9/23420v-21
CHEMERINSKIY Tsipka ‑ Wife F-41 revision list122 FHL2010470722NHABMinsk/333/9/23420v-21

and there is one record showing a second, younger spouse (Revision List of 1834):

NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk CHEMERINSKIY RAVIN David Movsha head of household M4765 29April1834 revision list369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/33476v-77
CHEMERINSKIY RAVIN Khana ‑ wife F-40 revision list369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/33476v-77

There are other records there showing that R' David had a brother Bentsion who produced another branch of the family. You can find these by searching on Chemerinsky in Belarus and then looking at Revision Lists: https://www.jewishgen.org/

Thanks Private User I've added those. Do you think this Bentsion is the same as Benyamin in the revision lists?

Private User Many thanks. I would say they are the same person (bca 1791 - dca 1839) who married 1) Khenya, and 2) Mariasha. It seems that the earlier RLs (1806, 1811, and 1816) use Bentsion and then the later ones 1834, 1850) use Binyamin.

Moshe Rabinovich, Rabbi of Karelitz

David's son Moshe was registered in Minsk. His wife was Zisya, they had at list 3 sons: David, Yudel and Shmuel. Also they used the surname Rabinovich.

Moshe Rabinovich, Rabbi of Karelitz This appears to be two sons of Moshe and a spouse. Leah is the spouse of Yudel b. Moshe.:

RABINOVICH TSEMERINSKIY ? Shmuyla Movsha head of household - M27?- 1856?whereabouts unknown -May1858 revision list - petty bourgeois13811477 --NHABMinsk/330/1/13332v-333
RABINOVICH Yudel' Movsha brother [from supplemental lists] Mwas missed /omitted19 22June1859 Additional revision lists1' / 1381 --NHABMinsk/330/1/13652v-653
RABINOVICH Leya ‑ wife of brother wife of Yudel'. [from supplemental lists] F-20 22June1859 Additional revision lists1' / 1381 --NHABMinsk/330/1/13

The question mark next to name could be simply the transcriber's uncertainty as to the spelling of Chemerinsky, or what the dual surname means. The years are okay for these to be sons of Moshe of Karelitz.

Another record shows the family of Bentsion b. Moshe:

NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk TSYMERINSKIY Notel' Bentsiyan head of household - Mwas missed /omitted45 -- 1November1874 Additional revision lists1- --NHABMinsk/333/9/840442v-443
TSYMERINSKIY Bentsiyan Notel' son - Mwas missed /omitted14 -- Additional revision lists1- --NHABMinsk/333/9/840442v-443
TSYMERINSKIY David Notel' son - Mwas missed /omitted7 -- Additional revision lists1- --NHABMinsk/333/9/840442v-443
TSYMERINSKIY Dina Sosa ‑ wife - F36 -- Additional revision lists1- --NHABMinsk/333/9/840442v-443
TSYMERINSKIY Maryasha Notel' daughter - F2 -- Additional revision lists1- --NHABMinsk/333/9/840442v-443

son Notel b1829 and his spouse Mariasha b1838 and their children Bentsion b1860, David b1867 and Mariasha b1872 (the latter's name suggests that the mother of Notel is Mariasha).

And lastly, a consultation:

I have seen several records where there is a Chemerinsky as the 'Head' and then another family with a different surname in the household:

for example here it is Spektor:

NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk TSYMERINSKIY Movsha Bentsion Head of household - M21- 1854- 22May1858 revision list - petty bourgeois338298 --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113
SPEKTOR Aron Gershon Azarya - - Mwas missed40 -- revision list - petty bourgeois338- --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113
SPEKTOR Tsodok Iosel' Aron Gershon - - Mwas missed23 -- revision list - petty bourgeois338- --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113
SPEKTOR Maryasha Beylya ‑ - wife of Aron-Gershon F-38 -- revision list - petty bourgeois338- --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113
SPEKTOR Gitlya Aron Gershon - - F-18 -- revision list - petty bourgeois338- --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113
SPEKTOR Ryvka Aron Gershon - - F-16 -- revision list - petty bourgeois338- --NHABMinsk/333/9/1103112v-113

and here it is Zamkovich:

NovogrudokNovogrudokMinsk CHEMERINSKI RAVIN David Movsha Head of household M65- 1835died -October1850 revision list - petty bourgeois370369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/439145v-146
ZAMKOVICH Shmuylo Itsko - M51- 1848died revision list - petty bourgeois370369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/439145v-146
‑ Eliokim Shmuylo - M17- absent revision list - petty bourgeois370369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/439145v-146
‑ Abram Shmuylo - brother of Elya M14- absent revision list - petty bourgeois370369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/439145v-146
‑ David Shmuylo - brother of Elya M11- 1846recruited revision list - petty bourgeois370369 --NHABMinsk/333/9/439145v-146

Does this mean that the original 'Head' died and another unrelated family took over at that location, or is there a possible relationship between the families?

Many thanks.

It's the same family in Minsk; there are a lot of spelling transformations like this one. In several families, Rabinovich is a quasi-surname for the rabbi's children, and it sometimes begins to be used as the main name (I have the same case in my tree). Regarding people with other surnames in the same household, it's a big mess. Some are related (usually sons- or brothers-in-law), some are not. But often it's just an incorrect interpretation of the record by the transcriber when there are no more relatives of a person who died and his number is replaced by someone else.

I wonder if there's any possibility of connecting this family to the main tree.

On the FamilyFinder platform at JGen there are about 15 (active within the past 5 years) researchers interested in the Chemerinsky family of Belarus. Some of these researchers may find a way of connecting to the main tree one day.

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