Margaret of Mar, Lady Sutherland (4th) - What's the source she married all three men?

Started by dale scott on Friday, August 12, 2022
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8/12/2022 at 12:33 PM

Her profile shows her as the wife of three men.
Wife of Malcolm, 5th Earl of Lennox; John of Strathbogie, 9th Earl of Atholl and Kenneth Sutherland, 4th Earl of Sutherland

MedLands, states maybe there were two sisters both named Margaret. One marreid John Strathbogie and the other Margaret married Malcolm Lennox.
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#MargaretMa... See children #4 and #5.

https://archive.org/details/lennoxvol1memov100fras/page/240/mode/2up
The Lennox. Vol. 1. Memoirs. (Vol. 2. Muniments.) [With plates, including portraits and facsimiles, and genealogical tables.]
by Fraser, William, Sir, 1816-1898
pg 240
"The lady whom this Earl [Malcolm Lennox] married is not known. Tradition assigns a sister or daughter of Donald Earl of Mar and his wife, but this is uncertain"

What's the source she married all three men?
What's the source she married any two of them?

Is there a source that she WAS a daughter of Donald Earl of Mar?

8/12/2022 at 9:31 PM

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY.htm#IsabelMarMR...

5. [MARGARET of Mar . She is named as wife of Malcolm Earl of Lennox by Fraser[534]. She may have been the daughter or the sister of Donald Earl of Mar. m MALCOLM Earl of Lennox, son of MALCOLM Earl of Lennox & his wife --- (-killed in battle Halidon Hill 19 Jul 1333).]

[534] Fraser, Sir. W. (1874) The Lennox, Vol. I, p. 240 (not yet consulted), cited in CP VII 591.


We should check TCP & TSP, but it’s looking like we will need to detach Margaret of Mar Malcolm, 5th Earl of Lennox

Thoughts?

8/12/2022 at 9:40 PM

N.N. Lennox Is not a known daughter of Malcolm ll, is she?

8/12/2022 at 10:25 PM
8/13/2022 at 12:17 AM

I retrieved the 2nd Margaret of Mar:

wife of Malcolm Lennox

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe... shows as daughter of Garnait (Gratney), 7th Earl of Mar & Christian Bruce, Lady of Garioch (Carrick), an also describes a theory that she was a Mor, not a Mar.

8/13/2022 at 12:33 AM

https://www.clanmacfarlanegenealogy.info/genealogy/TNGWebsite/getpe...

1 - Malcolm fifth Earl of Lennox married a daughter of Christian Bruce (the king's sister) and sister of Donald earl of Mar.

2 - It is merely speculation that Margaret Countess of Lennox (wife of Malcolm V Earl of Lennox) was a sister or daughter of Donald Earl of "Mar", I suspect this was a mistaken identity for her being a sister or daughter of Aonghas "Mor", father of Angus Og mac Donald? …

It is not improbable that rather than her being related to the family of "Mar," Duncan's grandmother Margaret Countess of Lennox was perhaps a sister or daughter of Aonghas "Mor" MacDonald? And this is a hypothesis that does not meet with any less favor than the suggestion that Margaret belonged to the family of Mar …

(We had recently been exploring primary sources for the MacDonalds of Islay, so if a deep dive is warranted, we do have a resource).

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