William Banastre - Birth Years of Joan and Francis

Joan is born 7 years before William's marriage to her mother.

Francis is born 5 years after his father's death.

It's a fun game to point out date discrepancies but doesn't actually achieve much. Dates in this part of the tree are so often misinterpreted by well meaning amateurs that they are always highly suspect.

For reference.

“Parish of Blackburn, County of Lancaster: A History of Blackburn, Town and ... . By William Alexander Abram.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=n-Y-AAAAYAAJ&pg=PA707&lpg=PA712&fo...

BANASTRE, LORDS OF NEWTON AND WALTON-IN-LE-DALE.

Robert Banastre, the first of his race who settled in Lancashire, was descended from Robert Banastre, said to have come to England with the Conqueror, who had a grant of Prestatyn, N. Wales.

Robert Banastre had the lordship of the Fee of Makerfield, which gave to his descendants the feudal title of Baron; and, about the year 1130, Henry de Lascy gave to Robert Banastre Walatun (Walton), with its members, Melver, Eccleshull, Harawuda, and the two Derwentas, "for the service of one knight." This Robert Banastre had three sons, the first, Richard Banastre, died, s.p., before 1204, and his brother Warin became his heir; the second, Warin, who also died without issue, was succeeded by the third brother, Thurstan.

Thurstan Banastre came into possession of the estates in 1215, and died in 1218 or 1219. By his wife Cecilia he had two sons, Robert, the heir; and Thurstan Banastre, who had a grant from his brother of lands at Newton in Wirral, Co. Chester.

Robert Banastre being an infant of about a year old at the time of his father's death, his wardship and marriage were sold for 500 marks to Phillip de Orreby, Justice of Chester. He died, aged about 24 years, before July 27th, 1242, having had issue, by his wife Clementia, sons, John, who died in infancy, in 1241; and Robert, who was heir.

Robert Banastre, being a child when his father died, was left in ward to the Prior of Penwortham. In 11th Edw. I. (1283) Robert Banastre, Knight, gave lands at Walton to Stanlaw (Whalley) Abbey. His wife was Alice, daughter of Gilbert Wodecoke, and he had one son, James; and a daughter Clementia, who married William de Lea, and died before Feb. 8th, 1290. She was mother of Sir Henry de Lea, and of Sibilla, wife of Sir Richard Hoghton. Robert Banastre appears as lord of Makerfield in 1278; was living in 1289, but was dead before 1292. Alice Banastre, his relict, quit-claimed to Stanlaw Abbey her right in land given thereto by her husband.

James Banastre, son of Robert, died in his father's lifetime, leaving issue, by his wife Elena, daughter of Wm. le Botiler, Baron of Warrington, a daughter Alice, who by her father's death became next heir of her grandfather. Before 1295, the marriage of this heiress was granted by Edmund, Earl of Lancaster, to John de Langton. Alice de Langton was living in 1304, but died before 18 Edward II.

Joan Stourton Has good references on her dates, but it’s possible she’s the heiress of William Banastre & not his son, William Banastre

I can’t find a reference yet on Sir Francis Banastre and i had seen a comment that parents of Henry ‘Harry’ Banastre are not reliable.

The pedigree for Banester of Bankhall (Vis. of Lancs., 1567) begins with Henry, in fact.

I’m going to disconnect “Frencis” and lock Henry to “no parents”.

If someone has evidence, they can present it, and we’ll connect or reconnect.