Jonathan Thompson, II - Inconsistent data

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 3:37 PM

The source used for this profile is:

Memorial of James Thompson, of Charlestown, Mass., 1630-1642, and Woburn, Mass., 1642-1682; and of eight generations of his descendants,” by Thompson, Leander, 1812-1896. 1n; Thompson Memorial Association. Page 22-23. https://archive.org/details/memorialofjamest00inthom/page/22/mode/1up

But RONALD B THOMPSON points out:

there is something that is inconsistent with the data.

Jonathan Thompson II married Francis Whitmore. They are listed to have twelve children. However, she passed in 1700 and and seven of the twelve children were born after 1700.

Records show that in 1700 Mary Boutwell married Jonathan Thompson II. I think it was 25 Mar 1700. I would assume the remaining children were hers. But, I checked several different sites and searches were she is list with just one child. She is Sarah Thompson born abt 1715. So, here is what I have for Jonathan Thompson II.

Francis Whitmore Married 1684
Jonathan Thompson b 1683 d 1752
Hannah Thompson b 1691 d 1791
Joseph Thompson b 1694 d 1755
James Thompson b 1696 d 1776
Susannah Thompson b 1699 d 1760

Mary Boutwell married 25 Mar 1700
Ebenezer Thompson b 1701 d 1755
Mary Thompson b 1703 d ?
Patience Thompson b 1713 d 1750
Sarah Thompson b 1715 d ? This is the only child she is listed to have had.
Jabez Thompson b 1716 d 1759
Esther Thompson b 1716 d 1777 I assume Esther and Jabez were twins
Daniel Thompson b 1718 d 1718 lived about 3 months.

Everything I find from various tree sites is this information. Then there is the written material that doesn't support my findings. I'm trying to determine what is correct.

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 3:39 PM

A place to check records is https://ma-vitalrecords.org/MA/Middlesex/Woburn/

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 3:49 PM

Private User I was wondering if “fresh eyes” of yours would help. Is this about marriage dates for the wives?

I’m posting what I see at http://www.genealogyofnewengland.com/f_325.htm to profiles. He doesn’t cite sources but it is an accurate tree in general.

They’ve got:

Marriage 1:

Marriage: 1684 Woburn, Middlesex, Mass.
Spouse: WHITMORE, Frances
b. 3 MAR 1670/1 Cambridge, Middlesex, Mass.
Parents: Father: WHITMORE, Francis
Mother: HARTY, Margaret

Marriage 2:

Marriage: 25 MAR 1700 Reading, Middlesex, Mass.
Spouse: BOUTWELL, Mary
b. 29 JAN 1679/80 Reading, Middlesex, Mass.
Parents:
Father: BOUTWELL, John
Mother: DAVIS, Hannah

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 4:18 PM

RONALD B THOMPSON

There is no death record for Frances Thompson and compiled vital record often don’t mention the name of the mother.

So I think the question really comes down to the marriage with Mary Thompson seen at Reading on 25 MAR 1700, which not all compilations support.

Are you suggesting the geni tree needs to have children moved from the earlier wife to the later wife?

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 6:09 PM

The children need more work, but I believe that Mary Thompson (daughter of John Boutwell, Sr. & Hannah Boutwell) was not the wife of the Jonathan Thompson who married Frances Whitmore.

Rather, she married Jonathan Thompson, of Reading & Marblehead (Son of George Thompson & Sarah Edminsteire)

The family is shown with links to records and genealogies at Jonathan Thompson, of Reading & Marblehead

I’ve added birth record citations to Frances Whitmore’s children, and will list any that need detaching next.

I cannot find any parents as yet for Sarah Bartlett

Hope this helps.

Erica Howton C

11/27/2022 at 8:23 PM

Esther Lamson is an issue. The genealogy has her as a daughter of Jonathan & Frances, but VR Shows her as daughter of Joshua & Martha Thompson.

https://archive.org/details/woburnrecordsofb00wobu/page/254/mode/2up

So I’m detaching her from parents.

There had been a mixup of Hannah Pierce with Hannah Rawson which has been corrected.

Otherwise, VR - Thompson births at Woburn match Leander Thompson’s book, and it matches what’s in Geni.

This is the google books link: https://books.google.com/books?id=58gUAAAAYAAJ&vq=Converse&pg=PA22#...

RONALD B THOMPSON PRO

12/1/2022 at 6:04 PM

To All,

Thank you for your invaluable help. You all helped me to understand the value of a Geni project.

I need to remove the death date from Francis Whitmore which removes the children's birth as inconsistencies with the tree. Jonathan Thompson II only married Frances Whitmore. As I saw from the last post, Esther needs to be removed as one of their children. So, there should be 11 not 12. ,The links in the last post were very helpful to me for the dates of other Thompson born in Woburn.

Mary Boutwell did marry a Jonathan Thompson, from Reading not Woburn. So he is not in my tree. One of the posts has a link the Jonathan she married. He was born in Scotland 1671 and died 1738 in Reading. However, not much is known about him.

I have my tree traced back to 1460 that I can verify. This takes me back to Scotland. They left Scotland to England for fear of persecution. After two generations in England, James Thompson b 1593 traveled to New England.

This has been a lot of fun as I continue to work on my tree. I'm talking with a genealogy society in Scotland to see what I can find out about the Thompson clan. I have a family path back to 1181, but I don't hold out much hope of ever validating it. Scotland did not maintain much of any records until the 1600s.

If anybody has any information, maybe we can start another project.

Thank you Erica for all your help as well as others who took time to post what they know,

Ron Thompson

RONALD B THOMPSON PRO

12/1/2022 at 6:18 PM

To All,

I forgot to share that the data at http://www.genealogyofnewengland.com/f_325.htm regarding Jonathan Thompson II, is incorrect. It show him with a second marriage to Mary Boutwell which we now know is incorrect.

Thanks again,

Ron

Erica Howton C

12/12/2022 at 3:59 AM

RONALD B THOMPSON

What do you think of the Pane Joyce Report?

http://aleph0.clarku.edu/~djoyce/gen/report/rr10/rr10_390.html#P82410

He shows both Jabez and Esther as children of Frances Whitmore (9169) & Jonathan Thompson.

RONALD B THOMPSON PRO

12/12/2022 at 8:32 PM

Erica,

This very helpful. I'm able to view the sources used and check it against what I pieced together in my various searches.

You are very knowledgeable on what data is available and where to look. I really appreciate all your help.

Ron

Erica Howton C

12/12/2022 at 8:51 PM

And I yours! I am really curious about that Esther Thompson ascribed to different parents in Woburn VR.

Private User

12/13/2022 at 8:24 PM

Erica Howton

My apologies! I just saw your tag this evening! I'm trying to figure out how I missed it.

Concerning Esther ( Esther Lamson ) , http://dunhamwilcox.net/me/me_bio_thompson.htm shows an Esther as Jonathan's daughter.

-- (III) Jonathan (2), eldest son and second child of Jonathan (1) Thompson, was born Sept. 28, 1663, and it is believed that he lived in the house already designated as the probable home of his father and grandfather in North Woburn. He was one of the town "tything men." He was also on a committee in 1728 to go to the great and general court and give the reasons why the petition of Goshen, or that part of Woburn which subsequently became Wilmington, should not be granted. He was also in the same year one of a committee of nine "to goe to the Reverend M. Fox to see if they can make things easier with him."
He married Frances Whitmore, a daughter of Francis Whitmore, of Cambridge. His death is supposed to have occurred in 1748.
Children:
Jonathan, Hannah, Joseph, James, Susannah, Ebenezer, Mary, Samuel, Patience, Esther, Jabez and Daniel. --

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Thompson-7722 shows the same, with sources.

Also, https://archive.org/details/memorialofjamest00inthom/page/23/mode/1...

Hope that helps?

Erica Howton C

12/13/2022 at 9:14 PM

So this is the paragraph I wrote for Esther:

The children of Frances Whitmore and the 2nd Jonathan Thompson include: Esther,* b. —; m. Amos Lamson, 1740. She was not the Esther, d. of Joshua and Martha, March 16, 1716 who is listed in the Woburn Vital Records. Either the VR record printed the parents, or she missed being listed. Alternatively, Woburn VR is correct, and she was not Jonathan Frances daughter.

Private User

12/14/2022 at 5:28 AM

The note looks good. Thanks!

RONALD B THOMPSON PRO

2/2/2023 at 9:04 PM

Okay. So, Jonathan and Francis did not have a daughter Esther. Is that what we are saying?

I should also say the Jebez, son of Jonathan and Francis is not listed in the Woburn VR for his birth. I have been unable to locate a record of his birth. Jebez does show up in the Woburn VR when he and his wife, Lydia Snow, gave birth to their first child.

I have Jebez as their son because he is listed in several books on Thompsons of Woburn. It would be nice to have some official record like a church baptism because it will list the parents.

Any thoughts?

Ron

Jonathan Thompson, II - Inconsistent data - please help reconcile!

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