Ellena Warren

Evidence needed to support as daughter of John de Cherleton, 1st Baron of Cherleton.

5.John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton.

Historically, Chorlton was a village on Lancashire's southern border with Cheshire, and a township within the ancient parish of Manchester, and the Chorlton's an ancient family, whose descendants also married the Warren family again ca.1500 (Sir Edward Warren, son of Sir Laurence Warren and his wife Margaret. Edwards' wife is Dorothy, daughter of Sir William Booth, Knt.). Edward has died, and owns a Manor house, Woodplumpton and county lands of Diddesbury.

Source: A history of the ancient chapels of Didsbury and Chorlton, in Manchester parish: including sketches of the townships of Didsbury, Withington, Burnage, Heaton Norris, Reddish, Levenshulme, and Chorlton-cum-Hardy : together with notices of the more ancient local families, and particulars relating to the descent of their estates (Google eBook)John Booker, Chetham Society. Page 4 .http://books.google.com/books?id=rP8UAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=l...

Todd Farmerie's Comments on Common Line of Descent

Noted genealogist Todd Farmerie notes that the Warenne of Ightfield line, that apparently descends from Warenne of Whitchurch, and in turn from a junior Warenne family, separate from the line of the earls at least as early as the Conquest...as it appears, is largely bogus. The wives can't be trusted, and the exact connections are dubious. Even the contemporary records are problematic to interpret. This has been discussed extensively in the archives (search for Warenne and Ightfield or Warren and Ightfield). [18]

http://cybergata.com/roots/11095.htm

Here is the descent as it is usually given: [19]

• William de Warenne, Earl of Surrey, son of Hameline "Plantagenet."
• Griffin de Warren, illegitimate son, dead 1286, m. Isabel de Pulford, sister of Robert, rector of Coddington, Cheshire, widow 1286 and 1298. Eyton discusses the origin of this family. He concludes that Griffin de Warren, husband of Isabel de Pulford, was son of William de Warenne als. de Albo Monasterio als. de Whitchurch, d.c.1240. That William was son of a Ranulf de Warenne, who Eyton concluded was brother of William de Warenne and Reginald de Warenne of Wormsgay. (Early Yorkshire Charters argues that this last affiliation is not correct, that there was an earlier Ranulf at Whitchurch, and that this earlier Ranulf dates back to Domesday. He cannot be accurately placed among the family, but based on use of the names Ranulf and William was likely related to the senior line.) This Griffin is said by Eyton to have fl. 1240, 1263, 1272. [20]
• John de Warren, lord of Ightfield jure ux (through marriage), liv. 1289, m. Audelin, daughter and heir of Griffin de Albo Monasterio/Whitchurch [these earliest two generations seem kind of suspicious]. In light of the above, your concern seems warrented - Griffin de Warren was Griffin de Whitchurch. Eyton gives dates of 1284/5 and 1310 for John. [20]
• Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, m. Wynifred, d. & coh. of William Broxlon of Chester.
• John de Warren of Ightfield, liv. 1314, 1335, m. Ellen, d. of John Chorleton.
• Griffin de Warren of Ightfield, d. 1356, m. Maud/Matilda, d. of Fulke, Lord Strange of Blackmere, afterwards married Sir Piers (or Peter) de Cornwall, lord of Kinlet, Shropshire. Here is where things get a bit confusing. Eyton next mentions a Griffin in 1356, and I have a note (of unknown source) which says that in 1356 Griffin entails land to his grandson Griffin, son of his son John. Eyton also says that Griffin's wife was named Elizabeth, but it is unclear from my notes if this refers to the grandfather or the grandson.

References

• http://nielsenhayden.com/genealogy-tng/getperson.php?personID=I4177... cites
• [S1173] Memoirs of the Ancient Earls of Warren and Surrey, and Their Descendants to the Present Time by the Rev. John Watson. Warrington, Lancashire, 1782.
• [S1016] Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell by Carl Boyer III. Santa Clarita, California, 2001.

Person ID# I129989 https://histfam.familysearch.org//getperson.php?personID=I129989&tr...

• Sources: Wales. Welsh Medieval Database Primarily of Nobility and Gentry.
• 1.[S2416] #12627 Genealogy of Shropshire [by Joseph Morris] (filmed 1966), Morris, Joseph, (10 volumes. Manuscript filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1966), vol. 1-2 FHL microfilm 504,551; vol.3-4 FHL microf., vol. 3 p. 1115.