Hermann I von Langen

• Son of Rudolf I von Langen and Mechtild Van Goor

Van/von Langen Geneology

Here time. That starts with a regest from 1261, which states:

Knight Herman Van Langen and his son Herman, husband of Jutte van Holte, are endowed by Jutte's father Herman van Holte with the estate in Holte, ie with what is left of the castle in Holte. (area quondam castri in Holthe).

Herman van Langen, knight in 1261

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Herman van Langen x before 1261
Jutte van Holte

Then an important regest from 1281, which states:
'I, knight Herman van Langen, with permission from Virginia, widow of my son Herman , with their heirs Gerard, Lubbert, Herman, Ludolf and Jutte from Langen...'

Herman Van Langen. knight, + after 1281

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Herman van Langen, + before 1281
X Virgina + after 1281

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Gerard..............Lubbert..............Herman..............Ludolf.. ...................Jute

Then the following regest from 1298:

Here it is said that Lubbert, Gerhard, Herman and Ludolf van Langen, brothers, draw up a division. Gerard is well Langen, the other brothers divide the rest, promising that their uncles Gerard and Ludolf van Munster have the right to dispose of it. Moreover, Lubbert and Ludolf separately promise that if their capital increases, their uncles van Munster may use it to improve the financial position of the other brothers van Langen.

In the last act of 1298 the two uncles Gerard and Ludolf van Munster are explicitly mentioned. These are most likely brothers of their (step)mother, and that means that the children of Virginia van Munster and Herman van Langen are mentioned here, who are also mentioned in 1281 (in slightly different order). In 1281 it reads literally: ... et plena voluntate Virgine nobilis feminine relicte filii mei predicti, Gerhardi, Lutberti, Hermanni, Ludolfi et Jutte heredum eorundum...(and with full approval by Virginia, noble widow of my aforementioned son), after which their heirs are named, and these are not necessarily their joint children, but may also be children from a previous marriage.

Incidentally, it seems to me that in 1261 there is a kind of marriage contract, in which Herman van Holte makes the loan to Herman van Langen senior as a kind of dowry for his daughter Jutte married to Herman junior. He does this with the permission of his son Ludwig van Holte, who has opted for an existence as a clergyman. So probably Herman van Langen and Jutta van Holte got married around 1260.

Because Bernd Josef Jansen mentions on his website that Gerhard van Langen is mentioned as a boy in 1278 in a deed, this means that he must have been born before 1264, because you did not become famulus before the 14th year of life. This means that Gerhard was born from Herman van Langen's marriage to Jutta van Holte, and because he is later called lord of Langen, he was the eldest living son in 1298. According to Bernd Jansen, a son Herman van Langen was also born. from the said marriage, who was presumably older, and who died before 1280:

Hermann III. von Langen, born around 1260, died after 1277, urk. 1277, 1280 to, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen and Jutta von Holte.

Gerhard I. von Langen, Herr zu Langen, born um 1262, gestorben nach 1329, urk. 1278-1329, 1278 Handsome, Herr zu Haus Langen, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen and Jutta von Holte.

Ludolf von Langen, Domherr, born um 1265, died after 1336, urk. 1277-1336, 1294 Domherr in Münster, 1301 Domdechant Münster, 1308 Archidiakon in Bocholt, 1311 wurde ihm von Papst Clemens V. die Präpositur der Kirche St. Martini in Münster übertragen, 1314 Archidiakon in Oelde, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen and Jutta von Holte.

Herman, Gerhard and Ludolf are therefore mentioned in charters of 1277, 1278 and 1280, which are unfortunately unknown to me.

Herman van Langen, knight in 1261

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Herman van Langen
x for 1261
Jutte van Holte

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Herman (+ before 1280) Gerhard (* before 1264) Ludolf

Then in 1281:

Herman Van Langen. knight, + after 1281

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Herman van Langen, + before 1281
X Virgina + after 1281

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Gerard.......Lubbert........Herman.......Ludolf.. .....Jutte (HEIRS: their children?)

Finally in 1298 4 brothers make a division:

Lubbert Gerhard Herman Ludolf attended by their uncles Gerhard and Ludolf van Munster.

Jutta van Holte was still alive in 1265, because then she is still officially mentioned, but after that she no longer occurs. It appears that she died shortly afterwards. Virginia van Munster is officially mentioned as the wife of Herman van Langen in 1277. Their marriage will therefore probably have taken place a little earlier. Jutta, Ludwig and Gertrud van Holte were the children of Hermann van Holte and Sophia van Ravensberg. In 1244 Herman and Sophia are mentioned as a couple in a deed. Sophia was probably born about 1220, and was still alive in 1275. Sophia's father Lodewich van Ravensberg died about 1249, so an estimated birth year of Sophia between 1210-1225 can be quite correct, but really not much earlier than that. Jutta van Holte was born between 1230-1245. Her marriage to Herman van Langen will therefore have taken place in 1245-1260, and that is quite in line with the entry from 1261. It therefore seems reasonable to maintain a wedding date of 1255-1260. Her first son Herman was born around 1261, and may have also been the reason for Herman van Holte to involve Herman van Langen, the old one, in the loan with the estate Holte, in the knowledge that his daughter would have legitimate offspring ( and they would not come through his only son Lodewich, who was a clergyman).

Der Domdechant von 1301 Lübbert steht 1298 an erster Stelle, weil there der einzige Geistliche ist. Die Brüder Hermann und Gerhard sind zwar älter, stehen aber as Laien in der Rangfolge hinter ihm. Der jungste Sohn Ludolf war 1298 noch nicht im geistlichen Stand (with etwa 20 years there were dazu auch noch zu jung). As a solcher there is a tritt from 1311 auf. Von der Urkunde habe ich nur die Erwähnung bei Prof. dr. Holthusen (s. 28):
"Mit seiner Zweiten Frau Virginia von Münster war Hermann II. 1277 (Inv. Kr. Warendorf S. 354. Nr. 1.) verheiratet. Der Verkauf des Hofes Maestrup im Kspl. Greven an das Zisterzienserkloster Leeden history durch Ritter Hermann I." cum heredibus nostris Hermanno filio nostro et uxore ipsius Virginia et filiis ejus Hermanno ac Luberto ac filia Jutta". Diese Kinder dürften noch aus der ersten Ehe Hermanns II. gestammt haben."

Dass die Kinder aus der ersten Ehe stammen, ist meines Erachtens sicher, da sie "filiis ejus", also "seine Söhne" were genannt, und nicht "filiis
eorum" "ihre Söhne". Hermann Luste und Ludolf were neither born 1277 nor niece.

It seems likely that Herman van Langen, mentioned in 1261 as son of knight Herman van Langen, was married to 1. Jutta van Holte, and 2. Virginia van Munster.

There is still an undated deed from ca 1285, drawn up after the death of Herman I van Langen (the editors of the Westfällisch Urkundenbuch date this deed to ca. 1267). It is about a marriage promise to Albert Droste, that one of the sons of Herman II van Langen will marry a daughter of Albert Droste, when they have reached the legal age. The agreement also meant that the son, who would marry Albert Droste's daughter, would also own the property in Langen by inheritance. Since we see in 1298 that Gerhard van Langen is endowed with the estate at Langen, he should be the one who married Albert Droste's daughter, but I have no information to see whether that actually happened.

Bernd Josef Jansen: Gerhard I. von Langen, Herr zu Langen, born um 1262 (Religion: rK), gestorben nach 1329, urk. 1278-1329, 1278 Handsome, Herr zu Haus Langen, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen (siehe 19599) and Jutta von Holte (siehe 19600). Kirchliche Trauung am 12.04.1282. Eheberedung mit Heilwigis von Droste (siehe 23830).

Hermann III. von Langen, born um 1260 (Religion: rK), died after 1277, urk. 1277, 1280 to, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen (siehe 19599) and Jutta von Holte (siehe 19600).

Lubbert von Langen, Domherr, born um 1265 (Religion: rK), gestorben nach 1336, urk. 1277-1336, 1294 Domherr in Münster, 1301 Domdechant Münster, 1308 Archidiakon in Bocholt, 1311 wurde ihm von Papst Clemens V. die Präpositur der Kirche St. Martini in Münster übertragen, 1314 Archidiakon in Oelde, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen (siehe 19599) and Jutta von Holte (siehe 19600).

Ludolf I. von Langen, born um 1278 (Religion: rK), died after 1335, urk. 1280-1335, Domherr in Münster 1311, 1315 Inhaber des officiums Darfeld, Sohn von Hermann II. von Langen (see 19599) and Virginia von Münster (see 23899).

From this it can be concluded that Gerhard van Langen is mentioned as a boy in 1278, ie he is already 14 years old, and therefore was born before 1264, and was therefore born as son of Herman van Langen X Jutta van Holte. We do not see the eldest son Herman from this marriage again, so he died before 1280. From the two marriages of Herman II van Langen at least 6 children were born, of which the eldest died. The other 5 children are named as heirs in 1281:

I, knight Herman van Langen, with permission from Virginia, widow of my son Herman, with their heirs Gerard, Lubbert, Herman, Ludolf and Jutte van Langen...'

The order of the children (except for Jutta, because girls were almost always named last) then corresponds exactly to the order in which they were born. Of these 5 children we see 4 more in 1298, and then Lubbert, who was already a clergyman (and therefore highly regarded at that time) is mentioned as the first, although Gerhard was the eldest born.

In 1230 the two brothers Herman and Johan van Langen are mentioned in a deed, without any titles, but it seems beyond any doubt that it concerns lord Herman I van Langen with his brother Johan van Langen. Information from Bernd Jansen shows that they are sons of Rudolf I van Langen: Herman was his eldest son, and Johan the second son. There were also a sister Jutta and a brother Ludolf

Rudolf van Langen X NN. † Herman I van Langen (+ after 1282) X (before 1227) Mechteld v. Loen Johan Jutta Ludolf | X Herman | by Arnem Herman II van Langen (* ca. 1230, + 1281)

X (ca 1255-1260) Jutta van Holte XX (1275-1277) Virginia van Munster

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Herman III Gerhard Lubbert Jutte Herman IV Ludolf
(+ before 1280) X Heilwig Droste Domdekaan (+ before 1298) (nicknamed Luste) Domdekaan

Gerhard and Herman Luste had legitimate offspring from these sons. The two brothers Johan and Herman van Langen, who are mentioned in the above deed of 1298, are grandsons of Johan van Langen.

For the sake of completeness, I also present here the deviating interpretation given by the compilers of the Westfällisch Urkundenbuch:

(Rudolf I van Langen) X NN. † Herman I Van Langen (named 1226-1276) X Mechteld (named 1259-1265) Lubbert Johan X NN | † Herman II van Langen (d. 1246-1285) X Jutta van Holte Rudolf (and others)

† X Jutte van Munster
Herman III van Langen (ext. 1280-1285) & Virginia (ext. 1280-1293)

• ** Children

Ludike.......Herman IV (Luste) .......Jutte........Gerhard .......Ludolf

It is difficult to determine which of the two versions is the correct one. In 1292/1293 there is an act in which Gerhard van Langen is mentioned with matre sua Virginia, and his sister Jutte and brothers Herman and Ludolf, but does matre mean mother or stepmother? Based on the fact that Gerhard was born before 1264 (because he is mentioned as famulus in 1278) it seems more likely that he was a son of Jutta van Holte. Bernd Jansen is based on a work 'Chronik der von Langen' by Prof. Brockhusen believes that the first arrangement given is correct. The crucial question is always: from which couple do Gerhard, Lubbert and Jutte van Langen come:

A quote from said work (p. 31):

"Beim Vergleich dieser Urkunden kann man über die Kinder Hermanns II. von Langen und ihre Verteilung auf seine both Ehen folgendes sagen: Nach
Urkunde 1 müssen die 1277 genannten drei Kinder Hermann, Lutbert und Jutta as
Hermanns II. erster Ehabhe gestammt Hermann II. auch mit
seiner Zweiten Frau Virginia auftritt, müssen but die genannten Kinder,
nämlich die Söhne Hermann und Lutbert und die Tochter Jutta, aus der ersten
Ehe gestammt haben, da sie ausdrücklich als filii
bzw. Auch der auffälligerweise 1277 nicht genannte
Gerhard, der 1278 bereits Knappe ist, muß aus der ersten Ehe Hermanns
gestammt haben und wird 1277 ausheimisch gesen signal. Im Übrigen wird die
Tatsache, dass Gerhard from the first Ehe Hermanns II. mit Jutta von Holte
gestammt haben muß auch dadurch bewiesen, that sich sich 1304 der Ehemann der
Jutta von Langen, Ludolf Hake, mit seinm Schwager Gerhard von Langen über
Holtesche Güter auseinandersetzt. Bezeichnenderweise is 1304 Gerhards
Bruder Hermann nicht mitgenannt, obwohl there damals noch lebte. Der Vergleich
der Urkunden, in denen ein Hermann, Sohn Hermanns II. genannt ist, lässt
nämlich acknowledge, dass es offenbar außer dem 1277 genannten älteren Hermann,
der aus der ersten Ehe Hermanns stammt und den es nach der Naamsrul auch
gegeben haben muß, nach dessen wahrscheinlich baldigen Tode noch einen
Zweiten youth Herman, Sohn der Virginia, gegeben hat. Dieser junior
Hermann steht nämlich später stets hinter Gerhard, who denn also nicht
Hermann, without Gerhard Erbe des Stammsitzes Haus Langen war. Dieser
junior Hermann IV. tritt zuerst 1280 Mai 3 as Sohn Hermanns II. und der
Virginia neben dem nach dem Vater der Verginia Lüdeke von Münster genannten
Sohn Lüdeke von Langen auf, dem späteren Domherren in Münster, und is
identisch mit Hermann IV., der 1300 zum ersten mal den Beinamen Luste von
Langen trägt. Der 1277 an Zweiter Stelle genannte Lutbert stammt aus der
ersten Ehe seines Vaters und ist der spätere Domherr in Münster und
Dom dechant."

The last word on this has probably not yet been spoken.

Project MedLands, SAXON NOBILITY

HERMANN von Holte (-after 1282). “Nobilis vir Wicboldus dominus de Holte et Hermannus eius filius” confirmed a donation made to the Magdalen-Hospital at Münster by “Ludolphus miles dictus de Amelincburen” by charter dated 8 Jul 1242[2437]. "Hermannus filius Wicboldi nobilis de Holte" renounced property "de Barme" sold by "Ludewicus de Rauensberg" to "duci Limburgensi" by charter dated 14 Jan 1244[2438]. “...Wicboldo de Holte et eius filio Her...” witnessed the charter dated 19 Jan 1244 under which “Bernhardi nobilis viri de Lippia” donated property to the church of Münster[2439]. “...Heremannus de Holte...” witnessed the charter dated 4 Jun 1246 which recorded the peace agreed between “comitem Ottonem de Tekeneburch et Heinricum filium suum” and “comitem Ludhewicum de Ravensberch”[2440]. “Wicboldus de Holto, Hermannus filius eius...” witnessed the charter dated 1246 under which Ludolf Bishop of Münster confirmed a donation of serfs and property to Kloster Liesborn[2441]. “...Hermanno et Wilhelmo de Holte...” witnessed the charter dated 1260 under which Wilhelm Bishop of Münster donated property to Kloster Cappenberg[2442]. “Nobiles viri dominus Willehelmus suusque filius dominus Adolfus de Holte cum uxore sua domina Cunegundi et liberis eius” donated property to Kloster Lahde, promising to perfect the donation to “propinquorum suorum qui primiores sunt...prepositi Wicboldi de Holte, domini Hermanni de Holte fratris dicti prepositi, et cuiusdam canonici Monasteriensis ecclesie qui est filius domini Hermanni de Holte”, by charter dated 8 Jun 1282[2443]. m ?. The primary source which confirms the identity of Hermann’s wife has not been identified.

Hermann & his wife had children:

• (a) LUDWIG von Holte “Wilhelmus de Holte Monasteriensis ecclesie canonicus” confirmed the donation to Kloster Lahde made by “dominus Wilhelmus consangwineus noster dictus de Holte miles” by charter dated 13 Dec 1282, sealed by “consangwinei nostri domini Ludewici de Holte”[2444]. “Hermannus vir nobilis de Lon” sold “advocacie...in Ebbinchusen et Eckerinchusen”, held by “nobilium dominorum de Holte domini Hermanni domini Lodewici” after whose death it was inherited by “dominam Gertrudinem uxorem nostram filiam domini Hermanni sororem domini Lodewici predictorum”, to “ecclesie...sancte Marie in monte extra muros Heruordenses”, with the consent of “filii nostri Hermanni”, by charter dated 1313[2445].
• (b) GERTRUD (-after 1302). Levoldus’s mid-14th century Chronica Comitum de Marka records names “Wicboldus archiepiscopus...soror” as the wife of “Hermanni domini de Bredenvord”[2446]. “Hermannus miles nobilis dominus de Lon” donated property to the Knights of St. John at Steinfurt, with the consent of “Gertrudis uxoris nostre, Hermanni et Wicboldi filiorum nostrorum”, by charter dated 20 May 1289[2447]. “Hermannus vir nobilis de Lon” sold “advocacie...in Ebbinchusen et Eckerinchusen”, held by “nobilium dominorum de Holte domini Hermanni domini Lodewici” after whose death it was inherited by “dominam Gertrudinem uxorem nostram filiam domini Hermanni sororem domini Lodewici predictorum”, to “ecclesie...sancte Marie in monte extra muros Heruordenses”, with the consent of “filii nostri Hermanni”, by charter dated 1313[2448]. married HERMANN [II] von Lohn Herr von Bredenvord, son of --- (-after 1315).
• (c) WILHELM von Holte, Canon at Münster. “Nobiles viri dominus Willehelmus suusque filius dominus Adolfus de Holte cum uxore sua domina Cunegundi et liberis eius” donated property to Kloster Lahde, promising to perfect the donation to “propinquorum suorum qui primiores sunt...prepositi Wicboldi de Holte, domini Hermanni de Holte fratris dicti prepositi, et cuiusdam canonici Monasteriensis ecclesie qui est filius domini Hermanni de Holte”, by charter dated 8 Jun 1282[2449]. “Wilhelmus de Holte Monasteriensis ecclesie canonicus” confirmed the donation to Kloster Lahde made by “dominus Wilhelmus consangwineus noster dictus de Holte miles” by charter dated 13 Dec 1282, sealed by “consangwinei nostri domini Ludewici de Holte”[2450].
• (d) daughters . “Conradus...comes de Welepa” confirmed that “domina W. nobilis matrona filia domini Widekindi de Dreigworden uxor domini Wikboldi de Holte” had donated property “in Mandeslo” to Kloster Mariensee, with the consent of “filiis et filiabus suis”, by charter dated 7 Dec 1249, witnessed by “comes Ludolfus de Brochusen...”[2451].

The number of daughters is not known.

• ii) WICBOLD von Holte (-26 Mar 1304). Provost. “Nobiles viri dominus Willehelmus suusque filius dominus Adolfus de Holte cum uxore sua domina Cunegundi et liberis eius” donated property to Kloster Lahde, promising to perfect the donation to “propinquorum suorum qui primiores sunt...prepositi Wicboldi de Holte, domini Hermanni de Holte fratris dicti prepositi, et cuiusdam canonici Monasteriensis ecclesie qui est filius domini Hermanni de Holte”, by charter dated 8 Jun 1282[2452]. Archbishop of Köln 1297.
  
• iii) [WILHELM von Holte “...Hermanno et Wilhelmo de Holte...” witnessed the charter dated 1260 under which Wilhelm Bishop of Münster donated property to Kloster Cappenberg[2453]. The contiguity of their names suggests that these two witnesses may have been brothers.]
  * c) LUDOLF von Holte (-10 Jun 1247). Bishop of Münster 1226: “Ludolfus...Monasteriensis ecclesie episcopus” confirmed property of “sorore nostra...Nutlon tunc temporis...abbatissa” by charter dated to [1226/48][2454]. “Tydericus comes Clevensis” donated property to Ludolf Bishop of Münster by charter dated 1231, witnessed by “...Wilhelmo fratre nostro Osnabrugensi preposito...Wicboldo et Adolfo fratribus nostris...”[2455]. The necrology of Kloster Borghorst records the death 10 Jun of “Ludolfus episcopus” and his donation[2456]. The Chronicon Menconis records the death in 1247 of “Ludolfus episcopus Monasteriensis”[2457].

• d) WILHELM von Holte Provost of Osnabrück: “W[ilhelmus]...major prepositus Osnabrugensis” renounced rights “in bonis Melberge”, donated by “bone memorie Wilhelmus de Holthe pater noster cum patruo nostro Amelungo” to Kloster Loccum, by charter dated 1228[2458]. Ludolf Bishop of Münster granted “decaniam ecclesie in Havekesberke” to the church of Münster by charter dated 1229, witnessed by “Wilhelmo fratre nostro Osnabrugense preposito...”[2459]. “Tydericus comes Clevensis” donated property to Ludolf Bishop of Münster by charter dated 1231, witnessed by “...Wilhelmo fratre nostro Osnabrugensi preposito...Wicboldo et Adolfo fratribus nostris...”[2460]. “...Wilhelmus prepositus Osnabrugensis...Adolfus et Wicboldus de Holte fratres nostri...” witnessed the charter dated 10 Dec 1234 of Ludolf Bishop of Münster[2461].
• e) JUTTA (-[1250]). Abbess of Nottuln: Otto Bishop of Münster granted the Vogteischaft of her monastery to “domna Jutta...abbatissa in Nutlo”, previously held by “fratrem carnalem Adolfum virum nobilem de Holthe” who resigned it, by charter dated 1215, witnessed by “nobiles Otto comes de Dale, Gerhardus de Lon et filius suus Hermannus...”[2462].
• f) [? . The identity of the parent of the following two siblings has not been ascertained. If “avunculus”, in the source quoted below, can be interpreted in its strict sense of maternal uncle, their mother was the sister of the five siblings named above.] m ---.

Two children

• i) WILHELM (-[27/31] Dec 1260). Bishop of Münster 1259. “Wilhelmus...ecclesie Monasteriensis episcopus” granted the Vogteischaft of her convent to “Jutte abbatisse nostre sorori”, just as “avunculo nostro Monasteriensi episcopo Ludolpho beate memorie” had done, by charter dated 12 Mar 1260[2463]. The necrology of Marienfeld records the death 27 Dec of “Wilhelmus episcopus Monsteriensis”[2464].
  
• ii) JUTTA . Abbess of Nottuln. “Wilhelmus...ecclesie Monasteriensis episcopus” granted the Vogteischaft of her convent to “Jutte abbatisse nostre sorori”, just as “avunculo nostro Monasteriensi episcopo Ludolpho beate memorie” had done, by charter dated 12 Mar 1260[2465].