Isolda de Mountjoy

• Isolda de Mountjoy1
• F, #33327, b. circa 1307, d. 1347
• Father Sir Thomas Mountjoy, Baron Mountjoy b. c 1281
• Isolda de Mountjoy was born circa 1307 at of Mountjoy, Worcestershire, England. She married John le Blount, son of Sir Walter Blount and Joanna de Sodington, circa 1340.2 Isolda de Mountjoy died in 1347.
• Family John le Blount b. 1298, d. 1358
• Children
  • Sir John Blount+ b. 1343, d. 1424
  • Sir Richard Blount2 b. 1345, d. a 1358
• Citations
• 1.[S10336] Unknown author, Burke's Commoners, Vol. I, p. 355.
• 2.[S11588] Some Early English Pedigrees, by Vernon M. Norr, p. 28.
• From: http://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1110.htm#...
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• Isolda Mountjoy1
• F, #165267
• Last Edited=2 Oct 2005
• Isolda Mountjoy is the daughter of Sir Thomas Mountjoy.1 She married Sir John Blount, son of Sir Walter Blount.
• Her married name became Blount.1
• Children of Isolda Mountjoy and Sir John Blount
  • 1.Sir John Blount+1 d. 1423
  • 2.Richard Blount1 d. a 1359
• Citations
• 1.[S37] BP2003 volume 1, page 405. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S37]
• From: http://www.thepeerage.com/p16527.htm#i165267
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• John BLOUNT (Sir)
• Born: ABT 1298, Sodington, Worcester, England
• Died: 1358
• Father: Walter BLOUNT (Sir Knight)
• Mother: Johanna De SODINGTON
• Married 1: Isolda De MOUNTJOY (b. ABT 1307 - d. 1347) (dau. of Thomas Mountjoy, B. Mountjoy) ABT 1316
• Children:
  • 1. John BLOUNT (Sir Knight)
  • 2. William BLOUNT
  • 3. Richard BLOUNT (Sir Knight)
  • 4. Walter BLOUNT
  • 5. Thomas BLOUNT
• Married 2: Elizabeth ? ABT 1328, Sodington, Worcester, England
• Children:
  • 6. Walter BLOUNT
  • 7. William BLOUNT
• Married 3: Eleanor De BEAUCHAMP (dau. of Sir John Beauchamp and Margaret St. John) ABT 1347, Sodington, Worcester, England
• Children:
  • 8. Walter BLOUNT (Sir Knight)
  • 9. Thomas BLOUNT
  • 10. Alice BLOUNT
  • 11. William BLOUNT
• From: http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/BLOUNT1.htm#John BLOUNT (Sir)1
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• BLOUNT, John II (aft.1345-1425), of Sodington, Worcs.
• b. aft. 1345, 2nd s. and event. h. of Sir John Blount (d.1358) of Sodington, prob. by his 1st w. Iseult, da. and h. of Thomas Mountjoy of Derbys.; er bro. of Sir Walter*. m. (1) Juliana (?Foulhurst), 2s. d.v.p.; (2) c. Apr. 1383, Isabel, da. of Sir Brian Cornwall† of Kinlet, Salop by Maud, da. of Fulk, 1st Lord Strange of Blackmere, sis. of Sir John Cornwall*, 1s.; ?(3) Ellen. Kntd. bet. Sept. 1403.
• John was one of the sons of Sir John Blount, himself a younger son of Sir Walter Blount† of Rock, Worcestershire, and Joan, the heiress of the manor of Sodington. .... etc. .... his father had fought in Gascony under Henry, earl of Lancaster, who had granted him for life the manors of Passenham (Northamptonshire) and Tibberton (Gloucestershire).
• When Blount’s father died in 1358 the heir was his eldest son Richard, but the latter did not long survive, soon leaving the inheritance to young John. By settlements made in 1356 John had already obtained lands in Balterley, Biddulph, Fenton and Ramshorn, Staffordshire, from his aunt Margery (widow of William, Lord Blount and at that time the wife of Sir John Crophull of Nottinghamshire), and in June 1358 the King, respiting his homage for these lands until he should come of age, granted him seisin. The rest of his substantial paternal inheritance (which, besides Sodington, included the manors of Timberlake and Mamble and several other properties in Worcestershire) came to him only after he attained his majority. In 1364 he was evidently a ward of Nicholas Fitzherbert, for in that year Eleanor, countess of Arundel (daughter of Earl Henry of Lancaster) acknowledged receipt of 11 marks from Fitzherbert as ‘the guardian of the lands of my dear cousin Janckin Blount’. Ten years later Blount, no longer a minor, reached an agreement with his brother Walter that the latter should have all the Mountjoy lands in Derbyshire falling to them on the death of their mother, he himself to have other family properties in Staffordshire and Worcestershire in lieu; and accordingly, in 1381, Walter relinquished to him all claim to lands in Denstone, Elvaston, Quixhill and Waterfall.2
• From: http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/bl...
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• BLOUNT, Sir Walter (d.1403), of Barton Blount, Derbys.
• 3rd s. of Sir John Blount (d.1358) of Sodington, Worcs. by his 1st w. Iseult, da. and h. of Thomas Mountjoy of Derbys.; yr. bro. of John Blount II*. m. by 1374, Sancha (d.1418/19), da. of Diego Gomez of Toledo, principal sec. of the province of Toledo, by his w. Ines de Ayala, 5s. inc. Thomas II* (1s. d.v.p.), 2da. Kntd. by Mar. 1372.1
• .... He must have still been very young when his father died in 1358, since his eldest brother, Richard, was then only 13 years old. .... etc. Richard Blount, too, was a soldier; and Sir Walter agreed to act as his attorney while he campaigned in Aquitaine with the Black Prince. He was evidently killed in action, for by 1374 John, the second of Sir John Blount’s three sons, had succeeded to the family estates. It was then that John reached an agreement with Sir Walter, whereby the latter was to receive their mother’s manor of Gayton in Staffordshire together with several Derbyshire properties in return for an assurance (made later in 1381) that he would advance no further title to any other part of the Mountjoy estates.5 .... etc.
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Eleanor Beauchamp was NOT the 'second wife' of Sir John BLOUNT, whose one and only wife was Isolda MOUNTJOY, as per email from Kyle VanLandingham. "Last year I obtained the pages from Complete Peerage, Vol IX, which show the Blount line from William le Blund [le Blount] who d. 1280. The line shows that William's grandson, John le Blount, m. Isoude [Isolda] Mountjoy. Walter le Blount who m. Sancha de Ayala is clearly shown as the 3rd son of John and Isolda."

http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/FGS/B/BlountJohn-IsoldaMountjoy.shtml

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Also:

The Blounts were a junior branch of the Blount of Sodington family of Worcestershire. The first Baron was the greatgrandson of Sir John Blount of Sodington who married Isolda Mountjoy and the grandson of Sir Walter Blount, bearer of the Royal Standard of Henry IV at the Battle of Shrewsbury in 1403 where he was slain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Mountjoy

notes

From Slektsforum -> Slektsfaglige diskusjoner -> Nyhetsgrupper (arkiv) -> Fora der du MÅ skrive engelsk -> soc.genealogy.medieval -> Mountjoy family - ancestors of the Blounts 18 Feb 2008 Nathaniel Taylor:     Ah--but here the earlier sources (followed by Coll. Hist. Staffs.) seem to be in error, which has since been corrected by CP (s.n. Mountjoy). As CP shows, Sir John Blount (d. 1358) can only be shown to have had one wife, Isolda de Mountjoy. Older sources assign him a second wife, Eleanor Beauchamp (of Hache) who is made to be the mother of his younger sons (including the one whose descendants took the peerage title 'Mountjoy'). On the alleged Blount-Beauchamp marriage, an article by Cecil R. Humphery-Smith, "The Blount Quarters," _The Coat of Arms_ 4 (1957), 224-27, is corrected by G. D. Squibb, "The Heirs of Beauchamp of Hatch," ibid., pp. 275-77, showing that the particular claimed marriage cannot have happened.

More importantly, Isolda is documented as still wife of Sir John Blount in 1352, well after the apparent birth year of Walter, ancestor of the lords Mountjoy. Croke (in his Blount work back in 1823) quoted the 1352 charter but didn't realize the chronological implication, repeating the two-wife fallacy.

I think the origin of the fallacious marriage is that the Blounts quartered a chequy coat (like Beauchamp of Hache) whose origin was a mystery for quite some time.

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